What do you do when no one will recognise your point of view?
Try putting it a different way? Usually get frustrated and driving myself mad before I realise I can't force others to agree with me, then again sometimes I have to question if my point of view is right, (this doesn't happen often lol I like to think I'm always right ) I'm not of course... It is hard as an aspie to see something the way somebody else might though because we are so self focused.
In what setting? Work, NHS, Down the pub? There's lots of possible reasons that may be nothing to do with your personality.
I get the impression that it' more about style than substance. I wish there were lessons in style for Autistic people. Teaching us whatever it is people want in conversation.
Every setting. I grew up on the edge of a village in the middle of nowhere in Wales. I may be even more socially inept than your average Aspie.
I find systematically taking apart the opposing point of view, pointing out very flaw and demolishing it from the foundations up usually works...
Mind you, it does tend to result in a somewhat shell-shocked audience and bridges that are not just burned but annihilated!
That’s what I tend to do as when they can’t counter the flaws you’ve pointed out you know you’ve won.
If they try to pick flaws in your ideas or views then you just have to counter there shots at your ideas
I get that a lot, people think that because I have ASD i’m crazy or have know right to be heard even though I’m probably smarter than them and have more knowledge on the subject than them.
I keep arguing that when people say next Friday they should use next for the Friday coming because that’s how English works. Nobody accepts it and just dismisses it.
I tend to talk to people with ASD or just smart people if I’m talking about something with a viewpoint on.
Wow~ this thread is amazing~ I just want to say thanks for asking this question!!! This very same question has troubled me lots in life as well. And I can relate to many of the replies that people have given!So thanks also for the responses that people have given, as it makes me feel not so alone.
NAS50812 said:I get the impression that it' more about style than substance.
I can definitely relate to this. From my observations of neurotypicals, it seems that some people are just good at "manipulating" others to get what they want. For example, acting "cute" to get extra leniency for not completely their work. Or acting exaggeratingly apologetic when they had a change of plans to do something they enjoyed better rather than do their commitment with you. Or acting like they are an expert at something, but in reality only know about it very superficially. So many examples. I don't really like how neurotypicals can often get their way by style, but if what they did was communicated differently, the action would be frowned at.
Original Prankster said:I find systematically taking apart the opposing point of view, pointing out very flaw and demolishing it from the foundations up usually works...
Yeah, I do the same thing too. I care a *lot* about logic. I also point out flaws about the opposing view very systematically. But what I often get from neurotypicals is that they just stop listening. They do not care about logic. Even though I am analysing their view very systematically, point by point. They hear one thing that is in disagreement with their view, they just stop listening. And even though I'm only debating on the topic and not the person, they somehow think it's a personal attack. People could be really mean and not listen at all... they ignore emails if it's in an email; or they completely interrupt my speech if we were talking...
Will Young said:I get that a lot, people think that because I have ASD i’m crazy or have know right to be heard even though I’m probably smarter than them and have more knowledge on the subject than them.
Yeah...I kind of worry about that too. It's one of the reasons I'm afraid of disclosing, as they might think a diagnosis is a medical evidence that one is cognitively incompetent. Though, even without disclosing, I think people still think I'm weird, and they my views are worth less, and just don't pay attention whenever I try to explain something.
Will Young said:I tend to talk to people with ASD or just smart people if I’m talking about something with a viewpoint on.
Yeah. I think I enjoy talking to smart people and people with ASD, basically people who can analyse things logically. I wish I knew more ASD people in real life though!
If it’s an NT - just give up. They are just full of Bull. They will always try and out do you or compete with you or compare themselves to you. They see EVERYTHING as a conpetition - a Race. They call it The Rat Race.
The Clue is in the title - hmmmmm
NTs seem to have a need to feel superior. Any weakness is exploited to make themselves feel better that those around them. I wouldn't worry about it - just find a place where you fit and are valued for being you.