ASD Son (me), Narcissistic Mother

Hi all,

I'd be very interested for your thoughts on the topic below.

I've been for probably close to 500 hours of therapy over the last two decades, and, whatever led me to start each individual run of therapy, I *always* ended up talking about my mother. During the last 18-month run of therapy (which was mainly couples therapy) it emerged that my mother is probably displaying traits of narcissism. That seems to be fairly objectively true, as underlined by several anecdotes where she has put her own needs before mine (not trivially, but where her actions were actively destructive towards me and unreasonable, as agreed by others including therapists) and then afterwards rewritten history to cast herself in the role of loving, caring mum.

I'm aware that part of my ASD (still tbc) means that I tend to get taken advantage of by those close to me, I placate others to avoid conflict even if that means negating my needs, and I have struggled to establish boundaries and be assertive.

So, what's getting my intellectual interest piqued (and not just for fun, as the answer may well unlock some personal growth and strength) is this: "Is it possible that my mother's narcissism and my ASD have combined to create a 'perfect storm'?"

What I mean by this is that my ASD seems to be a particularly receptive target for the damaging effects of my mother's narcissism, and make it *doubly* hard for me to see my mother's true character. It's well known that those trapped in relationships with narcissists struggle to see it because it is so carefully disguised as love and care, and this must be exacerbated if the trapped person natively struggles with boundaries, the ability to intuit intentions, read between the lines etc.

In the other direction too, if someone who is narcissistic cares little for others except that they feed their narcissistic needs, then this provides a *second* "double whammy" that frustrates the already difficult process of seeing ASD in a child who is by all external indicators flying through life, excelling at school, and gaining material success as an adult.

This would explain for me why it has taken 25 years for me to gain some objectivity and see how I've been overburdened with expectations from my mother and felt that it is my primary duty to adore her and do nothing to detract from her happiness. It also explains why I hated being dragged around her family doing "visits" when I was a child and she couldn't see for one minute why.

Thoughts? It seems to me that ASD and Narcissism together are a particularly hard combination.

p.s. for added fun in my family dynamics, my dad is almost certainly ASD and even I can see that my parents' relationship is, whilst stable and "effective", not particularly healthy. What I mean by this is that my mum has always visibly "babied" my dad (as noted by all of my extended family across all generations) meaning that he has not exercised himself in things that he is actually eminently capable of and early in their marriage became, and has remained, totally dependent on my mother - another self-perpetuating state of affairs which from my perspective presented and modeled an unhealthy model of the role of men in a male-female marriage and society generally.

p.p.s this gives some context to my post about Mothers Day - it's not *only* that I find traditions unwelcome and gift exchange economically inefficient!

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  • Hi IDWCC

    PM me.... I have the book on this one!! :) ...or don't if you don't wish to

    me:  estranged from mother, sister, brother and recently left a narcissist who was also used the full spectrum of coercion techniques.. also going through the autism assessment process now....

    I'd Done with Christmas Cards is one thing.. but I hope you are also done with stonewalling and gaslighting

  • I'm so interested in what you wrote. Please can I ask you, how did you work out, find out, or realise that your mother is narcissistic? I believe my mother may be covert narcissistic, but then sometimes I wonder if she is actually just autistic too! I have aspergers.

    I see in her, no empathy, focus on blaming everyone else, freaking out if you criticise or even gently point any mistakes or issues out to her, intense mood swings, sometimes I believe she utterly hates me but at others she seems to like me and enjoy being with me, paranoid type thoughts about others, not trusting anyone, telling me she is not angry when she certainly is, telling me I am mistaking her emotions eg she is tired not angry, telling me I cannot read her emotions, telling me she is not shouting when she is and blaming me for misinterpreting her, freaking out and melting down if anyone questions her or suggests she is being unreasonable, behaving like she is only about 5 or 6 emotionally, having multiple persons or masks, being hypocritical for example saying judgmental things all the time about others but judging me very very hard if I ever judge anyone, taking other people's side not mine if ever anything bad happens to me eg taking a bully's side if I am bullied and telling me she understands why they did what they did as if she is them and I am an awful person as the bully said, sometimes going silent for long periods, days, or hours, slamming doors, storming out, screaming and yelling that she can never do anything right, getting totally enraged if you question her opinion or suggest someone else's way of doing something is better than the way she does or did it, very controlling, and lots of other stuff.

    I just do not know how to work out if she is a manipulative person or an autistic woman who is traumatised and overwhelmed by an austitic son, me. I'm an adult now. I really parented her as a child. She seems to have no grasp on emotions of others despite being extremely emotional herself. I really want to know to move on with my work on myself in therapy. Can you tell me how you identified your mother as narcissistic rather than autistic?

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  • I'm so interested in what you wrote. Please can I ask you, how did you work out, find out, or realise that your mother is narcissistic? I believe my mother may be covert narcissistic, but then sometimes I wonder if she is actually just autistic too! I have aspergers.

    I see in her, no empathy, focus on blaming everyone else, freaking out if you criticise or even gently point any mistakes or issues out to her, intense mood swings, sometimes I believe she utterly hates me but at others she seems to like me and enjoy being with me, paranoid type thoughts about others, not trusting anyone, telling me she is not angry when she certainly is, telling me I am mistaking her emotions eg she is tired not angry, telling me I cannot read her emotions, telling me she is not shouting when she is and blaming me for misinterpreting her, freaking out and melting down if anyone questions her or suggests she is being unreasonable, behaving like she is only about 5 or 6 emotionally, having multiple persons or masks, being hypocritical for example saying judgmental things all the time about others but judging me very very hard if I ever judge anyone, taking other people's side not mine if ever anything bad happens to me eg taking a bully's side if I am bullied and telling me she understands why they did what they did as if she is them and I am an awful person as the bully said, sometimes going silent for long periods, days, or hours, slamming doors, storming out, screaming and yelling that she can never do anything right, getting totally enraged if you question her opinion or suggest someone else's way of doing something is better than the way she does or did it, very controlling, and lots of other stuff.

    I just do not know how to work out if she is a manipulative person or an autistic woman who is traumatised and overwhelmed by an austitic son, me. I'm an adult now. I really parented her as a child. She seems to have no grasp on emotions of others despite being extremely emotional herself. I really want to know to move on with my work on myself in therapy. Can you tell me how you identified your mother as narcissistic rather than autistic?

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