Published on 12, July, 2020
Lost0ne87 said:My mum and dad worked in the uk for most my life and they are applying for British passport and what not.
I'd get involved in their process. It will be far easier if they are involved. If you were born in SA you will have a South African passport also dual nationality by the sounds of things. Looking at the entitlements you have claimed and the duration (since 2012?), it seems you have some sort of citizenship. If you've been here 30 years immigration would have been on the case by now, I'd imagine. The details seem a bit thin for me to make a complete judgement. As said in another part of the thread EU Nationals who are already here are not going to be deported. You've been here a long time.
I'd call your parents as soon as possible. It's all well and good asking people you don't know, (and can't answer your questions properly) on the internet, but the only people that can tell you properly, and quickly enough to end the worry are your parents. They could just tell you that you have citizenship. Worry over, problem solved.
Here are the steps to take tomorrow or when you can.
1. Call your parents! They will know what your passport is, and citizenship status. If they tell you it's all well and good, get your passport. If it's fine no need for step 2. Stop worrying.
2. If it's not good there ask your parents if you can get involved in their process for citizenship. If not get as much paperwork as you can and go to step 3.
3. People have suggested CAB here. The CAB is probably not the first place I'd go. Their caseload is massive, and I'd say that they aren't used to dealing with autistic clients regularly. If you have problems dealing with this sort of stuff, there are Autism Advocacy groups. They can help you apply for and/or find out your Legal Citizenship Status. They are also experienced and sympathetic to autistic clients.
This explains advocacy.
https://www.autism.org.uk/advocacyandautism
There is a directory of Autism Advocacy groups in the UK.
https://www.autism.org.uk/directory/browse/cid=51~aid=1.aspx
If you can't find your Autism Advocacy group get back here and let me know the area or city you live in. Just pop it in the replies.
Most of all don't worry, as much as you can. It might never happen.
I got no passport what so ever. I did have a Belguim passport but that was revoked and I had no passport since and that I can't understand its so messed up. I am getting a solicitor of some sort to sort this out. Has said once I have chance but that was some time ago. Just had a bill and its some bit and said nothing if I indeed have a chance. Things change so I'm a bit worried.
I live in the cearphilly area.
Did you ask your parents? It could just be as simple as asking them about it or asking them for help.
Lost0ne87 said:I am getting a solicitor of some sort to sort this out. Has said once I have chance but that was some time ago. Just had a bill and its some bit and said nothing if I indeed have a chance. Things change so I'm a bit worried.
First of all you may not need a solicitor. You might have citizenship. A passport doesn't necessarily mean you are a citizen. Any solicitor who is their salt would be able to clarify the situation, even slightly. It sounds like you are being took advantage of or the solicitor is a clown.
Again ask your parents. It's the first thing to go to.
Lost0ne87 said:I have indeed been Christned but in Belguim. I am still claiming dla but it's going to be changed some other payment at any time and I have a National Insurance number.
I'm not a solicitor but I know enough to tell you more than the "solicitor" you have spoken to.
You have a National Insurance number. You need to be eligible to study or work in the UK. This means you are in the tax system.
You get DLA, to be eligible you need to have either UK citizenship, or be from the EU or Switzerland. So going by that YOU AREN'T CONSIDERED AFRICAN.
Lost0ne87 said:I have given every paper that they asked for, getting it sorted by a solicitor of some sort and he asked £2500. Whenever I asked the people that care for me why it's so expensive they say it's because it's such a complex case.
Someone is having you at it. You NEED to get in touch with your parents. PLEASE!
£2500 should more than cover a citizenship application. You have even provided them with all the information. Something doesn't add up. Either the solicitor is scamming or your carers are. Ask for all the paperwork that the solicitor has given, and an invoice or quote from the solicitor, depending on how far it is. A real solicitor would be able to tell you your status, and what needs to be done.
First of all stop letting the TV, or in the worst case, your carers wind you up about being deported.
Secondly, and most importantly, CALL YOUR PARENTS, something doesn't add up here with the things you are saying you have been told. Really, I'm pretty pissed at reading that people can't tell you a thing. It stinks of bullshit. Sorry to be frank, but it just doesn't seem right.
If you can't here is the number for an Advocacy service near you.
https://www.scope.org.uk/support/services-directory/caerphilly
Please call your parents though. Really.
Lost0ne87 said:I know you have talked to police but I don't want to get in trouble. I'm so conflicted about this, I think I will show this to woman and sees what she says
Why would you get into trouble? Is this what your carers would say?
Don't mind the angry guy. Go and see one of the contacts you have been given before you show this to your carers.
Tell me if you have found anything else out about it all over the time you last posted in the thread.
NAS38972 said:I am not autistic I am a carer of a very severely autistic son, who does not have the benefit that you possess of being able to understand and comprehend a conversation.
The reason I suggested Advocacy is that he may not be able understand or comprehend a complex conversation.
NAS38972 said:Have you not understood all the helpful advice people have tried to assist you with.
Maybe he hasn't.
NAS38972 said:Others suspect its a wind up. That can mean that you are trying to wind up others with your tale of woe that may be completely from your imagination.
Who exactly? That's an implication that may be completely from your imagination.
NAS38972 said:Or they indicate somebody is trying to wind you up. and you cannot recognise it.
Hold on. You just said......
So if he cannot recognise it, he has difficulties being able to understand and comprehend a conversation.
NAS38972 said:I don't know about this behavior, It is certainly not autistic behavior. It is a form of Bullying of a vulnerable person by a sick person. Or a scam on a vulnerable person you.
What is not autistic behaviour? His behaviour? Why not?
Do you think his carers are autistic? This statement doesn't make sense.
NAS38972 said:I and others have given you information what to do and so far you have not really acted on it.
Maybe he is being controlled. Which you imply. Maybe he lacks the communication skills. Maybe he lacks agency, which is more concerning as he has carers, and he is being guided towards parting with money.
NAS38972 said:I have given you the benefit of the doubt that you are being scammed, you have related a plausible story.
Yes, you aren't the arbiter of truth here.
NAS38972 said:You are old enough i guess between 25 and 45 to be definitely an adult.
Yes, and as you yourself know adults between 25 and 45 can be autistic, and have communication difficulties. They can also have learning difficulties.
NAS38972 said:Why don't you give your permission to the Lady you in who's house you live in Caerphilly for her to telephone 999 on your behalf.
They were the ones suggesting that he use the solicitor. That wouldn't really be the best course of action.
NAS38972 said:Have you borrowed money to give away to an unknown person.
He said he hasn't borrowed money yet. He said the money was for the solicitor that the home put him in touch with.
NAS38972 said:The story teller made a mistake. its a scam.
Well if they are a scammer they wouldn't have made a mistake, stories are usually told to pull off a scam.
NAS38972 said:I believe any money you have borrowed or paid out is lost, and you still want to drag it out as your previous reply to a topic. perhaps to get people to respond to you.
Well that's a comforting statement. How do you know that he has paid, borrowed, or ultimately lost any money. If he has any concerns about being scammed, or how the process works, logically he will want people to respond to him. You assume a lot of things.
NAS38972 said:Why don't you seek the help as before of your local politician Jeffrey Cuthbert,
This is good advice.
NAS38972 said:Dial 999. It's now up to you you are an articulate adult.
How do you know this?
You make a lot of baseless assumptions. I'd say that it's best not to do this. We can't judge how this person functions.
You went from giving solutions to full on unexplainable rage.
I am not lying about what I said, I am genuinely worried. I know you have talked to police but I don't want to get in trouble. I'm so conflicted about this, I think I will show this to woman and sees what she says
Have you not understood all the helpful advice people have tried to assist you with.
Others suspect its a wind up. That can mean that you are trying to wind up others with your tale of woe that may be completely from your imagination.
Or they indicate somebody is trying to wind you up. and you cannot recognise it.
I don't know about this behavior, It is certainly not autistic behavior. It is a form of Bullying of a vulnerable person by a sick person. Or a scam on a vulnerable person you.
I am not autistic I am a carer of a very severely autistic son, who does not have the benefit that you possess of being able to understand and comprehend a conversation.
I and others have given you information what to do and so far you have not really acted on it.
I have given you the benefit of the doubt that you are being scammed, you have related a plausible story.
You are old enough i guess between 25 and 45 to be definitely an adult.
The question You must ask yourself is have you have you parted with any money, whether borrowed or simply using a credit card You must dial 999. Only you, or somebody looking out for you, a carer or parent can report a crime. or attempted crime, or an ongoing crime.
Why don't you give your permission to the Lady you in who's house you live in Caerphilly for her to telephone 999 on your behalf. Have you borrowed money to give away to an unknown person. The story teller made a mistake. its a scam. I believe any money you have borrowed or paid out is lost, and you still want to drag it out as your previous reply to a topic. perhaps to get people to respond to you.
Why don't you seek the help as before of your local politician Jeffrey Cuthbert,
I have sent a copy of this topic to the Gwent police, if you want their help and have paid out money.
Dial 999. It's now up to you you are an articulate adult.
Thank you for getting to the point. I'm worried about this kid. This "Solicitor" can't tell him anything about his citizenship, even though he has had a Belgian passport.
No one is looking out for him. I'm mad as ***.
NAS38972 said:YOUR CARER can do this for you if you are unable to do so as a vulnerable person.
I'm not sure about that. This seems dubious. I spotted something strange in the next quote.
Lost0ne87 said:Solicitor also helps woman that owns the company that the support workers work for.
Hmmmm. This has so many implications.
Lost0ne87 said:And also to add it may not get accepted and have pay more money.
Why would this be made as a statement if they don't know his status. It's a strange caveat to make without any indication that this would be the case.
You have covered pretty much a lot of my concerns.
The people who should be helping are basically leaving him to it.
I could get more specific but I think you know who I mean. This has been bothering me the last few days. So *** mad!
Can I not do a background check on the lawer?
The email address of gwent police is contact@gwent.pnn.police.uk and not as above wrongly as ending in ok (wrong) whereas it should be uk (correct)
1, You must not send or give any money to anybody.and this means solicitors on the phone however urgent.
2, You must not give details of your credit Cards or Bank details over the phone or in person to anybody and this means solicitors however urgent.
2, You must not give any contact details to anybody such as your address and telephone number.
I BELIEVE YOU ARE BEING SCAMMED FOR MONEY AND YOUR BANK DETAILS.
I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO GWENT POLICE ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM - I BELIEVE YOU ARE BEING SCAMMED OF ALL YOUR MONEY.
YOU MUST DIAL "101" STRAIGHT AWAY AND GIVE THEM YOUR CONTACT DETAILS.
or YOUR CARER can do this for you if you are unable to do so as a vulnerable person.
YOU CAN CONTACT THEM BY EMAIL AT contact@gwent.pnn.police.ok
Their website is www.gwent.police.uk
YOU WILL NOT BE DEPORTED IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE.
until you have advice Free advice from either the CAB or as Cloudy Mountains advised as enclosed THEN APPLY TO BECOME A BRITISH CITIZEN.
"You have just been told your solicitor, about who you know nothing about, but wants £2500, Works for the Government as an immigration Lawyer" That cannot be tru
1, Any solicitor who works UNDER YOUR INSTRUCTIONS will WANT YOU TO SIGN A CONTRACT of HIS TERMS. ie you know who he is, and where he is based. You should have been advised to use the services of a local solicitor... You can always then check about the solicitor and what he specialises in.
I just been told something interesting he is a imgration lawyer that works for the government.
Do try the helplines and places Cloudy Mountains has recommended here. See if NAS can help too with the advocacy side of things
You are still a Belgian citizen despite not having a passport; you can't be rendered stateless in international law.
I don't have citizenship of any kind, British nor Belguim. I had a word with my mum and all that deal with me.
nexus9 said:The free legal service for people with disabilities seems to be the key. Someone who can offer advocacy during stressful interviews for example.
I think that having someone to explain it and be able to realy the information who is experienced would be the best way forward too. Handing £2500 over to someone who can't explain this all seems very dubious.
Some people think that being able to explain complicated things in a verbose way is intelligence. I think the opposite is true. If you can explain something in clear and simple terms that everyone can understand it, for me that is a far more useful skill. You can make making a cup of tea sound like Uncertainty Principle, but that is idiocy. Advocacy is a very admirable skill. If people were less interested in sounding like geniuses, and more interested in communicating, there would be far less problems in the world. I think LostOne87 has bumped into a few people who fall into the latter.
nexus9 said:And what about NAS itself? Could they refer someone who could help with advocacy in a situation like this?
Maybe LostOne87 should call them. Good suggestion.
nexus9 said:Whilst CAB are limited, they are at least free. You need to keep your money until you get advised by a trustworthy source that you may need to purchase certain documents
I used to have to deal with CAB when I worked in drug rehabilitation. They really are stretched, and they struggle to allocate time and resources. I'd refer people, and it was so hit and miss. For the past 20 years the CAB has been being systematically forced into a state of redudancy. Fucking shameful. I agree totally about the money issue, and the advice on what needs to be paid and when. People need resources like that, so that they have more control over decisions they make. Leaves less room for the sharks.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/about-us/contact-us/contact-us/search-for-your-local-citizens-advice/local-citizens-advice-details/?serialnumber=101039
That's Caerphilly's only CAB. If you are reading LostOne87.
I've scoured the internet for stuff in Caerphilly. Doesn't seem there's much in the way of advocacy. It's all the usual stuff in the way of Autism Support. All for young people and kids. That's fine, but there are some adults that need help too!
Whilst CAB are limited, they are at least free. You need to keep your money until you get advised by a trustworthy source that you may need to purchase certain documents
And what about NAS itself? Could they refer someone who could help with advocacy in a situation like this?
The free legal service for people with disabilities seems to be the key. Someone who can offer advocacy during stressful interviews for example.
Lost0ne87 said:Yes I asked about a british citizen which I don't have.
You do have some form of legal status. Looking at the things you do have it's a certainty.
Lost0ne87 said:I was the one that I was thinking getting a loan, no one else. If I were to pay this guy I will have nothing left in the bank
Don't get a loan until you know you need it for sure. Don't get a solicitor either until you know you need one for sure. This could be way simpler than you think. I think you are panicking and jumping the gun. No use getting yourself into debt, or paying money that you may not need to.
Lost0ne87 said:But I can get his number, my dad does talk to over on email. Know my dad does not really like me talking online about and it's hard to ask questions about it. The stress is getting him.
He may not like it, but he will have to help you. Explain that you don't understand the situation, and it's very stressful for you too. Find out what your legal status is here. Write it down, then come back if you need to ask any questions about it. I'll try my best to explain it to you.
Try not to panic. From what I can tell, you aren't in danger of any hassle for the forseeable future.
No problem at all, I'm glad I can try to help.
I will ask again about it
Yes I asked about a british citizen which I don't have. I was the one that I was thinking getting a loan, no one else. If I were to pay this guy I will have nothing left in the bank
I can only phone as he is indeed in London and I'm south wales. But I can get his number, my dad does talk to over on email. Know my dad does not really like me talking online about and it's hard to ask questions about it. The stress is getting him.
Thanks all the info you have given
nexus9 said:There are plenty of wind-up merchants who just can't seem to help moving in like sharks at the first sight of vulnerability or distress. Another shining example of human nature.
I'm worried about this kid. He seems to not have much help. You know me, I'm having to keep my *** together here! It just doesn't seem right.