Bed Punishment Was the Boy likely to have been Autistic?

The main human rights issue at the moment is not children been sent to bed for punishment as they are normally free the next day to continue as normal.  The main human rights issue at the moment is people at the other end of life.  Old people have been imprisoned in their care homes for over a year because of  Coronavirus.  They should certainly let people go out who have had the Coronavirus Jabs.  Old people are not allowed to enjoy their last period in this world.  The other end of life is worse than childhood.

I have never really been in charge of children but a woman seven years ago in 2014 who was disturbed and many problems and was homeless asked to stay with me. I did know her a bit so she was not a woman off the streets.  One evening she shouted on the phone at her mother.  I did not like listening to the shouting and wanted to keep her warm and safe but not happy or entertained.  She said she was going into a room for a rest. It was about 9 PM I told her to stay in her bed all night.  She kept running to the toilet and I saw her sad face through my living room door.  When I went to bed she continued running to the toilet been noisy talking to herself.  In the morning she brought me a cup of tea. She behaved like a sweet teenage girl been sent to bed for punishment.  The next evening she wanted to stay in her room.  I said you have not been shouting so let's play scrabble.  We stayed up late playing scrabble and she was very happy.  I treated this disturbed woman like a schoolgirl.  Going by this experience sending children or adults to bed before their bedtime is not a good idea as they might keep the house awake without meaning to as they are upset.  I told her mother about it on the phone but the mother was very interested but it turned out that she did not bring her up so she would not have even sent her to her room.

Joby in Summer 1939 by StanBurstow was sent to bed at 3.30 PM because he was shoplifting while his mother was in the hospital having an operation. I suppose that boy was lucky not to have been sent to an approved school.  This happened just before the Second World War if it did happen.  It might just be fiction.  I watched the film on YouTube and liked it.  That book is also used in Literature in Schools.

Yes thanks for your definition of Typically British.

I think what you said sumed it up although I expect the Germans and Austrians Queue.

I remember in Austria Vienna in Restuarants having to wait even longer to be served than in London.

David

I have just sent a comment in the Metro about a forteen year old boy found hanged in his room.

You can look for that comment on the web.

I have not seen my comment yet but the other comments agree that it was not really the Computer Game which caused the boy to hang himself.

They said it was because of a computer game but children have been found hanged in their rooms long before they were invented.

I said he was partly found hanged as he was in his room alone depressed.

They said he was grounded.

My comment was that if chidren are sent to their room or bed for punishment it is important that someone checks the child is all right.

It is even more important to do that if they have a condition such as Autism or Bi Polar.

David

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David said:

What does typiclly British mean according to your knowledge.

Is it accepting authority.?

As a gross generalisation, yes.

It's also drinking tea.

And standing in queues.

And being violent when drunk.

But otherwisely polite, friendly, and well-mannered.

What does typiclly British mean according to your knowledge.

Is it accepting authority.?

David

I watched at 10.30 a programme called Lock Up and it showed the Police holding a man down.  This shows what happens to adults who break the law.

A fourteen year old boy can be just as strong as an adult.

On a little boy one should try to reason and not use force.

I expect many parents with children give in rather than use force to put a child to bed.

You can google lock up and see what the Police do to Adults.

David

Hope said:

Well if you don't know what it means yourself, this seems rather strange. You must have a view on it Scorpion.

Why must I?

I could tell you what I understand the 'typically british' stereotype to be, but that wouldn't be my opinion, that would just be my knowledge of a definition.

One does not have to agree with (or even hold an opinion on) something in order to know it.

ON A CRUISE WE STOPPED OFF IN GIBRALTA.

I enjoyed Gibralta and heard a little child screaming.

The Mother said it would go to bed when it gets home.

I got on my ship and thought of a little naughty child going to bed in Gibralta.

I heard an announcemnet on the Cruise that there is the Nora Virus and if you have stomach trouble you should go to your state room meaning bed room.

I thought there was no point being grown up if that is the way the ship treats their passengers.  On that ship it was easy to get ill by eating too much without having a virus.  Like an obstinate child I might not have stayed in my room.

I wont give the name of the ship as i think it could be against the community rules to.

David

Our human rights are in line with Europe not America.

We do not have the death penalty.

The USA in some states has corporal punishment in schools.

The Head Master hits children with a paddle in private.

They treat disabled children badly.

The Judge Rottenburg Institute uses electric shocks.

The American Police carry guns.

England has become part of Europe but it also has immigrants from all over the world so it is difficult to determine what is Typically Birtish.

David

I agree with your last point, David. What was once 'typical' can no longer be thought as such. Our island is multicultural with a plurality of different behaviours etc. Increasingly we are becoming like a small version of America.

I have moved on from the subject of Bed punishment but I want to keep all the post together.  Well the only relevence is that it has to do with obeying orders.

I was suggesting that it is typically British to always obey the law and orders when they are wrong.  That is probably wrong as that does not only apply to British people but to other nationalities as well.

I think the British believe in being rigid about enforcing the law.

Other EEC countries do not enforce the EEC rules as rigidly as the British.

For example teachers now even get into trouble for defending themselves against children who attack them.

In other words a teacher could be prosecuted for hitting a child back although it could count as restraint.

Other British traits are

Taking turns in queues

Being farily reserved.

Speaking quietly.

Sadly it has become a British habbit for some to get drunk on a Friday Night.

I think as we have become a global village the difference between different nationalities is less big than it used to be so I am not sure we should sterotype British people.

David.

Are Autistic people better than so called NTs at refusing to obey orders when there are wrong?

I think you are right that it is not just British people who say one must obey the law even when the law is wrong.

The Germans in Nazi Germany obeyed orders too much.

It is complicated the Germans thought that they were obeying the law but they were not obeying the law as after the war it was decided that many of the laws in Nazi Germany were illegal.  The Jewish people were murdered as the *** used executive powers to intern them and they were killed on unofficial orders which were even secret.

I remember in 1969 an Irish Maths Master wanted to slipper me for getting a sum wrong I refused to bend over.

The other boy bent over and took his punishment like a man so the teacher said.

I do not think the other boy had Autism and his trouble might have been that he was a year younger.  He entered the independent Grammar school aged ten and I entered eleven.  I think I was  twelve at the time but the other boy was about a year younger than me.

The Maths Master boycotted me for several weeks.

The Maths Master quietly explained to my Mother that I have learn to obey orders and in the army he is sure you have to obey orders although he was never in the army.

The argument he used was that one has to carry out threats so he could not let me off or give me an alternative punishment such as a Saturday Morning Detention.

He explained to my Mother that we were warned that we had to get two sums right in half an hour or be slippered.  I got the LCM right but the HCF wrong.

The other boy got both sums wrong.

It is correct that we were warned but I still had not learned how to do the HCF.

When I was a school boy most men had been in the army.

My Mother replied that the Germans obeyed orders too much.

My Father who was not at that meeting did not like my Mother's remark about the Germans.  I think at a Parents meeting the Maths teacher explained to my Father what happened.

Both my Parents tried to encourage me to submit and thought I was a coward but I did not submit to being slippered.

The point is in general one should obey the law and orders but when they are clearly wrong not obey them.

At Nurmburg the defence that I was obeying orders was not accepted.

In the above case although corporal punishment was legal over forty years ago I suspect that the slippering might have been technically illegal as I do not know if he put it in the punishment book for the other boy who did bend over.

I should have asked the teacher but did not think of that.

I have to admit that by the standads of over forty years ago the teacher had a lot of right on his side and I probably should not have been in that school because of Autism.

David

Well if you don't know what it means yourself, this seems rather strange. You must have a view on it Scorpion.

Hope said:

You still have not asked my question. What traits are typically British in your opinion?

I don't hold an opinion on that.

That doesn't stop 'typically British' being something very real though.

You still have not asked my question. What traits are typically British in your opinion?

Take all the things that British people do, and are, quantify them, average them, and then you come up with a set of traits that are 'typically british'.

Note, Hope, that that is not to say that everyone who is British precisely adheres to what it is to be typically British, but that equally doesn't mean that such a thing doesn't exist.

This is the stereotype argument all over again Hope. And you just don't get that just because these things really do exist, in a statistical sense, it doesn't mean to say that everyone within the group under consideration is just like that and doesn't have other traits too.

It's an average.

Like take these numbers:

1,3,5,7,9

What is the average?

7.5

Are any of those numbers 7.5?

No.

Does that stop the average being 7.5?

No.

And so it is with people, and stereotypes - just because very few, if indeed any, of the people adhere precisely to the stereotype, or average, of that group, doesn't mean that that average is nonsense, or pointless, or unapplicable - it is because it is based upon the people in the group.

Oh, and by the way, it's Scorpion0x17, not Scorpian. Unless you want me to call you Hyp?

What is 'typically British' then Scorpian? Define it please

There is no such thing as "no such thing as 'typically British'".