Bed Punishment Was the Boy likely to have been Autistic?

There is no such thing as 'typically British'.

In the same park I saw a boy who looked sixteen speaking strangely and he had a little sister of fifteen months.

The boy was actually thirteen and he does have Asperger Syndrome.

He was in no kind of trouble with his Mother.

As for the boy who shouted he did not want to go to bed just because he challenged authority does not prove he was Autistic.

We must be very clear that resisting Authority and even breaking the law is not being Autistic.  However it is probably true that Autistic people tend to challenge authority more than so called NTS.  I challenged authority a lot when I was at school.

A boy actually said who was at school with me although he does not believe in corporal punishment as they did it I should have taken my punishment like a man for flcking pellets.  That person is a communist but he still supports authority.

It is history in more than one sense as that school closed down in 1972 and that conversation was in 1978.  The pellets incident when we got slippered was 1970.

It is typically British to say that the law and conventions must be kept even when it is wrong.

I watched part of a programme about what it is to be British.

Waiting your turns in ques is one thing British.

I say also submitting to authority even when it is wrong is British.

Do you agree that Autistic people challenge authority more than so called  NTS.?

David.

Sorry I should have made clear that children today are not expected to submit to the abuse I was expected to submit to.  May be I am getting old so I forgot.

We cannot discuss whether todays children should submit to something which is illegal.

On the other hand I was told by a Psychologist that one cannot put todays vallues on my childhood.

We cannot expect a Head Master or a teacher in 1970 to take account of legislation past in 1987 State Schools and 1999 banning corporal punishment in Private Schools and that legisilation does not put me in the right in those days for making a fuss.

On the occasion my Mother smacked me and told me not to hit my teachers back.

My Parents told me that I can only defend myself against a wild man.

They were right as the law was different in those days.

What the Mother did by apparently telling a boy he would go to bed in the afternoon was probably perfectly legal.

I only heard a boy cry and scream but I am sure she did not touch the boy althouh he was a bit rough with his Mother.

It might in future years count as abuse putting children to bed in the afternoon.

Are Autistic Children more likely to scream in that situation.?

Could Parents please reply to that point.

David

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This is related to my post above although not do with bed.

I remember when I was about twelve probably in 1970 being slippered for apparently no reason.

My Mother as usual collected me and I told her that my Gym Master had slippered me for apparently no reason.  The Gym Master asked me to bend over to show I could and the wack left a slight sting.

My Mother went in to see the Head Master Mr.Hopkins.

My offence according to a teacher who witnessed the incident was that my shoes were not done up.

The Gym Master  the next day said in front of my class it was for foolling around in the Gym and he could not hit me as I did not let him.

He pulled a boy out and gave him a slight tap to prove to me that I was making a fuss about nothing.

Head Master verdict:

Good Head Master but a man of his time.

Mr Hopkins told my Mother that if he had read my medical records he would not have accepted me in his school and he did not care about me being slippered without good reason.

In other words he blamed me for making a fuss.

Other people have told me since that the Head Master was quite right as it was a private school. In other words his school.  Mr.Hopkins has beed dead for years.

Do Autistic Children tend to make more fuss about punishment than so called NTs?

I suppose we are supposed to have a stronger sense of justice than so called NTs.

David

Moderator:

Why do you want me to keep my surname secret.

I am not ashamed of the above story although may be I should be.

Hi everyone,

Just a quick reminder of a couple of things.

Firstly, please don't use your full name (or anyone else's) on the forums. Rule 3 exists to protect everyone's privacy.

Secondly, please be aware that the law on corporal punishment of children has changed recently. We cannot and would not support any advice which would lead people to break this law.

Thanks for your understanding,

Alex R - Mod

I have just read that many Autistic children have problems sleeping and staying in their rooms at night.

I do not think it is a good idea to add to Autistic childrens problems and send them to bed during the day as a punishment.

It is not even a good idea even for normal children.

It is true that hitting children might make them violent.

In the case in the park sending the boy to bed provoked the boy into pulling the woman so that also made him violent.

David

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A lady who has died said it is not cruel to put children to bed without supper.

It is cruel to put children in a coal celler.

As I expect you know children were evacuated to the countryside in 1939 to escape likely air raids.

She described how she helped herself to biscuits when she was evacuated in 1939 at the age of six. She had just come home from school.

She was caught and sent straight to bed without supper.

She said that lady and husband looked after her and her brother well and even invited the lady who sent her to bed to her wedding later on.

The lady had a rule that the children would be sent to bed if they took food between meals without asking but were well fed generally.

I was not even alive at the time as I was born in 1957.

In my imagination I was evacuated took some biscuits.

Told to go straight to bed without supper.

I made a scene and refused to go to bed.

Sent straight back to my Parents in London.

I expect I would have been evacuated to an institution in the Countryside.

Would the above have been Autism?

David

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Yes I agree in a sense it was the Mother who was abused not the boy.

My Mother thinks putting children to bed means that they might associate all bed times as a punishment but she thinks it is better than hitting.

My Mother rarely if ever used bed as a punishment but thinks I wouldl not have gone to bed and did not go to my room.

I agree although most children would prefer a slap than have to go to bed on a fine afternoon.

Evedence he is Autistic is that boy went wild shouting he does not want to go to bed instead of giving reasons.

I am fifty-five years old with no children.

Do you have children?

David

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David said:

Was that little boy likely to have been Autistic?

That's impossible to know, from the information given.

Also, just because you could report the incident to the NSPC, it doesn't necessarily mean it was 'abuse'.

And, why should he not be put to bed? Is hitting him better, in your opinion?