A proposal for the resolution of the Irish border re: Brexit

Give Northern Ireland back to the Irish. It's only ever been trouble.

Discuss...

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  • England and Wales will survive Brexit. Northern Ireland might not with the way things are going...

    In the run up to the referendum it was difficult to determine how Northern Ireland would vote. There were times when I wondered whether Northern Ireland should not be included in the referendum, or a second referendum held in Northern Ireland if its electorate was larger than the winning margin from the mainland.

    When the results were coming through there was a clear Protestant / Unionist and Catholic / Republican split to the vote. The only significant exception was North Down but then that's demographically similar to Surrey!

    The problem is further complicated by both the Conservatives and UKIP uncompromisingly hell bent on maintaining the Union at almost any costs.

    A possible solution would be to split the UK into two countries - England with Wales as its dominion and Scotland with Northern Ireland as its dominion. The first leaves the EU but the second remains in the EU.

  • How would you see the UK surviving Brexit, especially a no-deal Brexit? 

  • As I previously stated, Brexit might end up breaking the UK apart.

    I have thought about if Scotland became independent then Northern Ireland should be thrown in as a freebie. After all, most Unionists in Northern Ireland are Scottish in origin.

  • By catch doesn't exist. There is only catch. 

    Regardless of your intent, what is in your net is catch. 

    Typically, sea bass feed very close to shore during the summer (in the surf!), only moving into deeper water in winter. 

    However, if a species reaches a critical situation where the only safe catch is ZERO, then yes, for the good of the wider fishery, it has to be a total fishing ban in that area. It's the only thing that'll work. Anything else is a tragedy of the commons. 

  • This is far from clear cut but there is some trend that those on both the left and the right tended to vote Leave and those in the political centre tended to vote Remain in England and Wales but the media (deliberately?) chose to ignore the political left and their 'Lexit' as they like to shoehorn politics into left vs right on many issues, and Labour with Remain represented the left when in reality Jeremy Corbyn was historically anti-EU and many old Labour types in the party voted Leave.

    The socioeconomic group A was the most pro-EU and support for the EU decreased downwards to the point where socioeconomic group D was the most anti-EU although there is some anecdotal evidence that the trend somewhat reversed for socioeconomic group E.

  • Not sure I understand what you're saying. If trawlers have sea bass as unintentional by-catch, what happens to it? If it's allowed to be landed and sold, what incentive does that create to avoid this happening? So there will need to be some discards at least?

    And I think you are saying there would be no danger from a general quota, if that general quota were set to the sustainable catch of the most endangered species. Well, you've effectively given the figure for sea bass as 0. Therefore all fishing would be banned, which would be unpopular with the industry and public.

    I've stumbled on this defence from the EU from 2015:

    https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/cfp/fishing_rules/sea-bass_en

    I'm not arguing that any commercial landing of sea bass should be allowed. It seems since 2015, the UK and France have been arguing against a complete ban:

    http://www.saveourseabass.org/en/over-fishing/

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  • Not sure I understand what you're saying. If trawlers have sea bass as unintentional by-catch, what happens to it? If it's allowed to be landed and sold, what incentive does that create to avoid this happening? So there will need to be some discards at least?

    And I think you are saying there would be no danger from a general quota, if that general quota were set to the sustainable catch of the most endangered species. Well, you've effectively given the figure for sea bass as 0. Therefore all fishing would be banned, which would be unpopular with the industry and public.

    I've stumbled on this defence from the EU from 2015:

    https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/cfp/fishing_rules/sea-bass_en

    I'm not arguing that any commercial landing of sea bass should be allowed. It seems since 2015, the UK and France have been arguing against a complete ban:

    http://www.saveourseabass.org/en/over-fishing/

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  • By catch doesn't exist. There is only catch. 

    Regardless of your intent, what is in your net is catch. 

    Typically, sea bass feed very close to shore during the summer (in the surf!), only moving into deeper water in winter. 

    However, if a species reaches a critical situation where the only safe catch is ZERO, then yes, for the good of the wider fishery, it has to be a total fishing ban in that area. It's the only thing that'll work. Anything else is a tragedy of the commons.