A proposal for the resolution of the Irish border re: Brexit

DongFeng5 said:

Discuss...

You may want to discuss with an autistic expert on Brexit ('Brexpautist?'), Nicholas Stone
https://www.quora.com/Why-has-Brexit-resulted-in-a-huge-increase-in-support-for-a-united-Ireland

There seem to the following logical possibilities still:

1. The UK remains in the EU
2. The UK stays in a negotiated customs union with the EU, at least as regards goods
3. There is a customs border in Ireland
4. There is a customs border 'in the North Sea'
5. 'Irexit', the Republic also leaves the EU
6. The customs union, or ability of the EU to impose standards on imported goods, is ended

The Republic won't agree to 3 or 5, the EU27 won't agree to 6, the DUP won't agree to 4, the Conservative Party apparently can't agree on 2, and if it's not 1 or 2, the UK has to decide where its customs border is. 1 seems unlikely without a change of UK government or second referendum.

One suspects the UK Government is now planning for 3, but doesn't want to admit it yet. I would hope that wouldn't lead to resurgence of war in Ireland just based on ordinary people having too much to lose, but then as ever the ordinary people aren't in control. I would have thought the 'backstop' proposal is a safer route to 4, with or without reunification.

DongFeng5 said:

Discuss...

You may want to discuss with an autistic expert on Brexit ('Brexpautist?'), Nicholas Stone
https://www.quora.com/Why-has-Brexit-resulted-in-a-huge-increase-in-support-for-a-united-Ireland

There seem to the following logical possibilities still:

1. The UK remains in the EU
2. The UK stays in a negotiated customs union with the EU, at least as regards goods
3. There is a customs border in Ireland
4. There is a customs border 'in the North Sea'
5. 'Irexit', the Republic also leaves the EU
6. The customs union, or ability of the EU to impose standards on imported goods, is ended

The Republic won't agree to 3 or 5, the EU27 won't agree to 6, the DUP won't agree to 4, the Conservative Party apparently can't agree on 2, and if it's not 1 or 2, the UK has to decide where its customs border is. 1 seems unlikely without a change of UK government or second referendum.

One suspects the UK Government is now planning for 3, but doesn't want to admit it yet. I would hope that wouldn't lead to resurgence of war in Ireland just based on ordinary people having too much to lose, but then as ever the ordinary people aren't in control. I would have thought the 'backstop' proposal is a safer route to 4, with or without reunification.

A lawyer told me that he is sure all the delaying tactics and infighting are symptomatic of the fact the government all know deep down thay Brexit is not feasible and will not actually go ahead. What marvellous optimism! He seems to forget how powerful an impulse the need to 'save face' is. Also that some unscrupulous minds want the UK as a little America, no human rights, no employee rights, no NHS but continued imperialist ambition, the like of which we still keep seeing in action, as others here have already illustrated

Cassandro said:

One suspects the UK Government is now planning for 3, but doesn't want to admit it yet.

What? In the same way that Cameron ensured civil servants had fully developed plans for both referendum outcomes? www.theguardian.com/.../david-cameron-accused-gross-negligence-brexit-contingency-plans