Hans Asperger

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/hans-asperger-aided-and-supported-nazi-programme-study-says

I have to say that since I first read Steve Silbermann's book 'Neurotribes' about a year plus ago, I have been wondering if it was entirely the case that Asperger tried to keep his subjects away from the Nazi euthanasia programme. This morning's headline is thus no great surprise. And as Sachs-Cohen and Silbermann have already indicated their belief in the emerging facts, I'm not about to get too emotive about it. Regardless of DSM-5, my diagnostician decided it was still a valid term for an older adult who had lived for some years with some knowledge of that label. And I'm not about to avoid that label, myself. I suppose I might as well be the first person on the forum to ask what happens next, because I would guess that not everyone will be quite so philosophical about it as me. I have to admit, I have never really taken very kindly to 'aspie'. I find it a bit patronising; but I'm now wondering if some of that discomfort is down to the fact that I have sort of half expected that the hero thing was not quite the full story. And Kanner, for all his input, wasn't beyond criticism either.

''Carol Povey, director at the National Autistic Society in the UK’s Centre for Autism, said: “We expect these findings to spark a big conversation among autistic people and their family members, particularly those who identify with the term ‘Asperger’. Obviously no one with a diagnosis of Asperger syndrome should feel in any way tainted by this very troubling history.” 

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  • Who exactly is this Herwig Czech and what are his motivations for carrying out this research?

    Something that I'm concerned about is how this is spread like wildfire through the mainstream media. It seems like every English language media source has run away with the story. In contrast Lorna Wing's 1981 paper remained a near secret outside of a small circle of academics for over 10 years. It was referenced by media sources in her obituary but how many journalists even knew of its existence back in the 1980s? Even references to the milestone books about Asperger syndrome by Uta Frith and Tony Attwood have only had a minimal mention in the mainstream media and often years after they were published.

    I can't help but thinking that there is some malevolent behind the scenes project going on by certain factions of the Jewish community to discredit Hans Asperger.

    It's the beginning of the end of Asperger syndrome. In a few years it will be labelled as just autism but the clock will also be turned back so that the only autism which counts will be traditional Kanner autism. Anybody who still wants to push AS (regardless of what it's called) will be vilified as a sympathiser of a Nazi war criminal.

    I suspect that Lorna Wing, Uta Frith, and Tony Attwood will be consigned to the dustbin of history as naïve fools who just wanted to make a name for themselves whilst failing to understand who Hans Asperger was. So will Luke Jackson. I also suspect that JKP will stop publishing books about AS. 

    The eugenics is a mere side show. There was plenty of support for eugenics in Britain both during the early 20th century and today. It's collaborating with the *** that's Hans Asperger's crime. This is just as unforgiveable in academia as it is in the real world.

  • Do not forget Hans Asperger was not accused  of Killing Jews and do not forget most of the world was at War with Nazi Germany.  Hans Asperger was accused of not only been a member of the Nazi party but also referring disabled children to a clinic in Vienna to be murdered.  He would not refer a child with Asperger Syndrome to be murdered because it could be made use of but if the child was profoundly Autistic I expect it would be sent to the clinic to be murdered.   Do you want to be regarded as one of Hans Asperger people?

      The war was started because Hitler invaded Poland and refused to leave Poland.  It was not a Jewish War.  I know that there has always been abuse of disabled people but the Nazi era was uniquely horrible.  I am sure that if  Hans Asperger had not lived we would be aware that you can be on the Spectrum without being Autistic.   Asperger Syndrome has been replaced with Autistic Spectrum Disorder so it should not make that much difference.

  • Asperger was not in charge of the involuntary so-called 'euthanasia' of disabled people, but not investigating the consequences of his actions would have been a crime, morally speaking. As I said, I haven't read the paper in full, but can a case still be made that his autistic patients without a learning disability would have been killed if it were not for his clinic?


  • I must admit I have not studied all the issues re Hans Asperger and I do not know if he saved anyone.

    Despite the fact that as a Jew Walter had every reason to panic, his fearful reaction was held against him. The entry of that day (not in Asperger’s handwriting) stated that Walter “is much more disagreeable than three weeks ago, when he was [last] here. During Hitler’s speech, he put his head into his hands on the table and stared into a void. He was very agitated; when a child broke out in cheers he opened his eyes wide and turned pale.” Asperger’s diagnosis all but ignored the boy’s precarious situation and framed his mental troubles as follows: “severe psychopathy, with a particular sensitivity and paranoid irritability.” Asperger thus pathologized and de-politicized the boy’s reactions to the anti-Jewish persecution then pervading the city; based on the same logic, in a formulation that was perhaps meant as an act of generosity, he stressed that Walter could not be held fully responsible for his sometimes aggressive reactions. In his diagnosis, Asperger omitted the fact that Walter was Jewish and that his life was under threat from the Nazi regime.

    https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13229-018-0208-6


    So now you do know that Dr Asperger did save someone :-)



  • I must admit I have not studied all the issues re Hans Asperger and I do not know if he saved anyone.   People on the Higher functioning end do not get as much attention and there is the Asperger Foundation if it is still there.

    In contrast to the present day regarding the least socially functional receiving state assistance ~ Hans Asperger made and won the case not to exterminate patients that would prove useful to the third reich, and rather assist these patients to develop their higher functional abilities instead.


  • Yes the causes of the Second World War are complex but it certainly was not a Jewish War..  I must admit I have not studied all the issues re Hans Asperger and I do not know if he saved anyone.   People on the Higher functioning end do not get as much attention and there is the Asperger Foundation if it is still there.

  • I think Asperger was working in the 'grey zone', as described in Neurotribes.  For a particularly disturbing dramatisation of 'kill or be killed', see the film Son of Saul.

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