The Autism Deception.

Cancer doesn't have a "spectrum", and neither does diabetes, they either are or aren't. So why do we give validation to the myth of mental illness, and aspergers/autism? Is being different truly the same as being "mentally ill"? - I don't think so.

I hated school and the institutions, I always considered them to be bad, psychiatry is no exception, I think they're the biggest pill pushing group of crooks going. Always these people want to create problems where there are none in order to make a business and force us into social conformity or so called "normality", well screw society because I aint going to be "normal", because normal means destroying the planet and walking on others without consciousness, and if that's what's normal than I don't want to be part of it, and the psychs say I'm the crazy one, okay then... but I don't think so...

I don't want a job or to be a wage slave, I'm happy to not participate in society, I'd rather just play computer games and pretend the "real" world doesn't exist thanks, or if I'm not allowed then let me find a remote mountain of island to live on because I can't be bother with society, it's fake promises, and lies. Nobody is free, we're all just told that, and nobody is treated fairly, it's the rich and loud spoken who get their way, the rest of us are just cattle, and we don't matter apparently, we're just suppose to conform mindlessly and not complain. If we do complain or say we're tired of the rat race then we're mentally sick apparently, I hate the world, it's well screwed, and I thought I could make a difference here, perhaps I was mentally sick after all. I don't think so though, I think it is the planet which is sick with a disease called humanity. Who's with me?

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  • Former Member
    Former Member

    Longman's ghost to Recombinantsocks.  It is a bit unfair picking
    fault with one paragraph of a ghost posting, given most people cannot see the
    rest of what I wrote (unless on an email notification), but it is a risk I
    have to take.  For those who don't know it I was gagged over a year ago
    for standing up to the Mods over the way many adults on the forum were being
    treated, so I now cannot post anything political, or indeed anything at all.
    The comment you quote refers to a number of posters of late.

    I also
    ghosted a comparison with going to the gym. People at the gym are there for a
    number of reasons - sports injury, post-op, running, rowing and other
    athletics work-outs, body building etc. I wouldn't dare criticise anyone's
    exercise practises beause I really don't know their backgrounds.  I see
    this forum as being the same. It is inappropriate to pick apart people's
    posts out of disaagreement with their profile name, their subject matter,
    their attitude to their disability, their parents' defects etc.  Also
    I'd be wary as an old timer being overly critical of the postings of people
    in their teens and twenties.

    What it does is it scares people from
    coming back on. It is intimidating. They are trying to explain,
    sometimes with hardship, their particular difficulties, seeking others with
    similar experiences for support, but someone without that sought after
    background keeps tearing their postings apart for reasons that have nothing
    to do with their main concerns.

    It is very difficult for me, being
    gagged in this way, to try to alleviate the situation. I have been trying to
    get the Mods to deal with it, but getting nowhere. I am very concerned that
    the forum is staying in the doldrums because these have become 'shark
    infested waters' very toxic for people trying to post,. Despite being badly
    treated by NAS my main concern has always been to help others. I am therefore
    asking that people might refrain from inapproporiately critcising other
    people's posts (even though you see this as me inappropriately criticising
    your posts). Longman, though a gag.

    Longman,

    I'm afraid that I am still not clear. Do you include me in that "number of posters"?

    Your comparison with a gym is, I think, perhaps not the best analogy. People come to any forum looking for advice and discussion about the issues that they are facing. People do not go to the gym for that purpose. Offering advice, critiquing other advice, speculation, about wider issues that a poster may not have considered, are all fair game in a discussion forum in my opinion.

    You appear to avoid opinions, perhaps for fear of arguments, but you do not avoid criticism of the various bodies such as NAS, government provision for people with autism etc etc. Your posts are therefore, it seems to me, characterised by negativity and impending doom. You have valuable experience and thoughts about our condition that could help others but you seldom seem to profer these.

    Sometimes discussions go awry and apologies are appropriate and clarifications are needed but I try to be constructive and sometimes challenging because people sometimes benefit from being challenged (this is one of the core ideas behind CBT).

    Turning to a couple of your points:

    I picked up on the posters use (or not) of pseudonyms because I was concerned that real names were being used for delicate subjects that were best kep anonymous. This was convern for SH particularly (both the forum member and also for anyone that might be known by that name) Other posters were unaware of the advice to use pseudonyms and I hope that SH didn't take my posts as a criticism.

    My posts that introduce the subject of inheritance are not aimed at "parents defects" as you put it. If we are to come to terms with our circumstances then I think it is useful to consider how those circumstances come to pass. I actually think that an understanding of the way that autism is passed on through the genes can actually dispel the blame or guilt that people generally attribute to their parents.

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  • Former Member
    Former Member

    Longman's ghost to Recombinantsocks.  It is a bit unfair picking
    fault with one paragraph of a ghost posting, given most people cannot see the
    rest of what I wrote (unless on an email notification), but it is a risk I
    have to take.  For those who don't know it I was gagged over a year ago
    for standing up to the Mods over the way many adults on the forum were being
    treated, so I now cannot post anything political, or indeed anything at all.
    The comment you quote refers to a number of posters of late.

    I also
    ghosted a comparison with going to the gym. People at the gym are there for a
    number of reasons - sports injury, post-op, running, rowing and other
    athletics work-outs, body building etc. I wouldn't dare criticise anyone's
    exercise practises beause I really don't know their backgrounds.  I see
    this forum as being the same. It is inappropriate to pick apart people's
    posts out of disaagreement with their profile name, their subject matter,
    their attitude to their disability, their parents' defects etc.  Also
    I'd be wary as an old timer being overly critical of the postings of people
    in their teens and twenties.

    What it does is it scares people from
    coming back on. It is intimidating. They are trying to explain,
    sometimes with hardship, their particular difficulties, seeking others with
    similar experiences for support, but someone without that sought after
    background keeps tearing their postings apart for reasons that have nothing
    to do with their main concerns.

    It is very difficult for me, being
    gagged in this way, to try to alleviate the situation. I have been trying to
    get the Mods to deal with it, but getting nowhere. I am very concerned that
    the forum is staying in the doldrums because these have become 'shark
    infested waters' very toxic for people trying to post,. Despite being badly
    treated by NAS my main concern has always been to help others. I am therefore
    asking that people might refrain from inapproporiately critcising other
    people's posts (even though you see this as me inappropriately criticising
    your posts). Longman, though a gag.

    Longman,

    I'm afraid that I am still not clear. Do you include me in that "number of posters"?

    Your comparison with a gym is, I think, perhaps not the best analogy. People come to any forum looking for advice and discussion about the issues that they are facing. People do not go to the gym for that purpose. Offering advice, critiquing other advice, speculation, about wider issues that a poster may not have considered, are all fair game in a discussion forum in my opinion.

    You appear to avoid opinions, perhaps for fear of arguments, but you do not avoid criticism of the various bodies such as NAS, government provision for people with autism etc etc. Your posts are therefore, it seems to me, characterised by negativity and impending doom. You have valuable experience and thoughts about our condition that could help others but you seldom seem to profer these.

    Sometimes discussions go awry and apologies are appropriate and clarifications are needed but I try to be constructive and sometimes challenging because people sometimes benefit from being challenged (this is one of the core ideas behind CBT).

    Turning to a couple of your points:

    I picked up on the posters use (or not) of pseudonyms because I was concerned that real names were being used for delicate subjects that were best kep anonymous. This was convern for SH particularly (both the forum member and also for anyone that might be known by that name) Other posters were unaware of the advice to use pseudonyms and I hope that SH didn't take my posts as a criticism.

    My posts that introduce the subject of inheritance are not aimed at "parents defects" as you put it. If we are to come to terms with our circumstances then I think it is useful to consider how those circumstances come to pass. I actually think that an understanding of the way that autism is passed on through the genes can actually dispel the blame or guilt that people generally attribute to their parents.

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