Autism, and anti social behaviour.

A few weeks ago we have had a letter from our landlord about complaints of anti social behaviour from our neighbours. The complaints were regarding noise nuisance. We have 3 children, 9yrs, 5yrs, 3yrs, and they are all boys. Our 5 year old son was diagnosed with ASD, and global development delay 2 years ago. Our neighbours were claiming that we were banging on walls, slamming doors. Theses claims are a total lie, we have never done what they were claiming. The landlord (housing association) did there investigation, and we started mediation with next door. All the sudden the plot changed to our children being noisy. Now I understand that there is what would be considered general household noise, and the noise that children make is included in this. I think the real issue here is our autistic 5 year old who can be very rowdy sometimes, and he will sometimes wake up in the early hours. (4am+) My question is would his behaviour be classed as anti social behaviour if he was having a bad day as some autistic children do?

Any advice would be welcomed.

  • There is so much that is legally incorrect here that it makes my head spin. Either you’ve badly misunderstood the situation or the police and authorities have badly ignored the law. I’d be willing to guess it’s both. Either way I’d go see a lawyer and see if you can get legal aid to have this looked at. Judicial review maybe or challenging the asbo.

  • Perhaps fear of the unknown rather than malice. Some poeple still think autistic poeple are dangerous. Also, noise at 4am is still a real problem,  whatever the reason. Lack of sleep will cause anyone to be stroppy. 

  • You have my sympathy, my problems are insignificant compared to this.

  • Sorry I keep trying to edit my post and not only does it not edit it, it posts my unedited reply again.  So I'm making amendments here...

    *I wasn't the only person my neighbor abused.  (He liked to abuse the vulnerable so would go after kids, animals and disabled women.  He boasted that he was a legend for it and would scream at me often that everyone agreed.  It did seem that way at the end).

    *disgusting not discusting 

    *My Mum called the police to get them involved after I'd offered him 3 grand to stop & called her in a state.  I hadn't eaten for days & couldn't get out to get food, all the deliveries for the supermarket were booked up month in advance during the start of lockdown and my neighbor sat on my step all day every day thinking it was hilarious that he had me cornered.  I went out a couple of times to start with but he as I said before got worse and became physically violent & tried to physically force his way into my flat a couple of times before I even made it past my door.  So I learned it wasn't safe to open while he was there, because he was clearly there to target me.  After a couple of months of living like this I couldn't take anymore so I offered him the money and then cried to my Mum.  She felt helpless so called the police, they came straight around, I thought they were listening.  They asked for my permission to talk to my landlord to ask him to ask my neighbor to leave me alone.  A couple of hours later I got a call from the housing screaming at me that I deserved to be abused for being autistic & giving me the options to find a cure, get an ASBO for causing my abuse or move out.  I then got angry phone calls with my landlord screaming at me every few hours during working hours for a few weeks.  Just screaming at me about how disgusting I am for being autistic, arguing over whether it's a mental illness with me pleading him to just google about autism & him refusing.  That's how lifeworks came up because he told me I had to go to the mental health hospital to have it cured and I said it was a pervasive developmental condition and i was under lifeworks to help me with it.  He was so angry about that & kept insisting I was wrong and having the wrong treatment.   It was awful to be in that position where I couldn't take care of even my basic needs, was being abused my my neighbor and was having all this trouble of my landlord lying about me to lifeworks & threatening me with an asbo and making me loose my home because of it. 


  • During lockdown I lost my home & was threatened with an ASBO unless I moved or cured my autism because my neighbor was abusing me.  I was the only person he abused, I believe he's a psychopaths based on his behavior.  He'd scream at me every time he saw me threaten to beat me up & rape me.  During lockdown when I was isolated with him he got worse & wouldn't let me leave my home to even go to the shop to get food or fresh air & sunshine.  It broke me & I offered him £3000 to leave me alone.  MY landlord & the police had a meeting where they decided that I my neighbor wouldn't have abused me if I wasn't autistic, so I was to blame.  My landlord called lifeworks the charity I was under and told them that he takes care of all my daily needs and I being violent.  My landlords never taken care of any of my needs, I paid my rent via my bank account & only saw him about 3 or 4 times in the 20 years I loved there, but lifeworks wouldn't believe me so my care and support was dropped & my landlord told me that I had to move, cure my autism or get an asbo as landlords have the right to give ASBOs.  When I told him autism was curable he went ballistic & shouted at me about how discusting autism is & how it's a choice.   

    Not only are you more likely to get an ASBO if you're autistic, you can get one just for being autistic if you're being abused.        

  • I suspect there may be an underlying reason, distrust of people with what are perceived as mental health problems. It may not be noise at all, but malice - disability hate crime. Possibly you need to consult social services or another mediator.  Keep a tape recording of your own house ambient noise at key times near the party wall, which you can produce as evidence. Also keep a diary on incidents when you think your son may have been noisy, with dates and times. This can be shown to the landlord when complaints are made.

    I'm afraid this sort of thing is quite common, people can be very hateful about anyone in their neighbourhood not being normal. As you say the story has changed from banging on walls and slamming doors to noisy children. They are trying to make an issue, hoping your family wuill be obliged to move.

    While bad incidents hit the headlines, low key disability hate crime in respect of autism is quite common.

    If the claims persist despite best efforts this needs to be raised with the police hate crimes unit. Usually police intervention will make them think, just you usually hope not to have to go that far with neighbours.