Not conforming

Hi all, I new here and didn't know where to begin. To avoid the very long read below: how do you motivate a teenager ( who is on the spectrum) to try to participate in everyday activities or conform to social norms even slightly if they do not see the point and don't accept that norms should be conformed to?

Please bear with me if I sound impatient with my son who has enough to deal with and massive anxieties around everyday life. I am not new to autism but only recently accepting that his life is not going to be the way I expected it to be.

Long story:

My son is 18 and on the spectrum. He managed to get through mainstream education with 25 hours classroom support per week and passed his GCSEs and BTEC. School was a struggle as his social skills were so poor, and he often lashed out verbally at other pupils and staff. He was often taken out of lessons due to anxiety. Nevertheless he wasn't too unhappy at school although he was adamant that after GCSEs he wasn't going back. 

Since leaving school he has tried two different college courses which he was unable to maintain longer than a few months due to poor executive function and anxiety (which led to behaviour jssues). I fought hard to get support for him in college but he got so far behind with his work (I don't think he did any any, at all) that he hated college and refused to go back. It didn't help that his first attempt happened during lockdown so he had to work from home, which was hard.

He is now on a course which prepares students to work if they are not in education or training 

Since he left his last course I'm feeling more and more hopeless about his future. While he was in school with support it was easy to forget how difficult everyday life is for him. He is high functioning and gives people the impression that he is intelligent but there are so.many things we take for granted as easy to do but which he can't do without a LOT of help.

While he was in school I  put off worrying about what we would do next as he seemed to be coping, and persuaded myself that things would fall into place.  I really underestimated how hard things actually are for him. Now that the routine and familiarity of school has gone he seems adrift and has gone really downhill. His mental health has deteriorated and he often feels depressed or anxious. (Yes, we have tried getting help from the NHS). He won't engage with any of the support services we were able to find in the community as being around people makes him anxious. He is close to dropping out of the skills course.

As I said his executive function is poor. He can't organise himself to get dressed, wash, eat clean himself, wear clean clothes or anything without support. He can't remember things he's supposed to be doing, appointments etc. He can do all these things with a lot of prompting but is incredibly challenging about it. He can be verbally aggressive if asked to do basic things like get up or put clean clothes on. He challenges me on why he has to do anything like try to adhere to a daily routine, plan for the future and work towards paid employment  - why should he participate in society at any level? Or even wash his hair, ever. I can't answer him because logical arguments do not work.

I realise I come across as not very understanding of his limitations and  apologise if this is offensive. I love my son so much, I think I always assumed things would get better as he got older (and never really realised how hard life was for him until now). I'm only now facing up to the reality that he will not lead a typical life, and it is scary. 

Ifanyone has any advice on how I can be a better parent to him I will take it as I know I need it.

And if anyone has advice on getting teenagers to do thigs they see as pointless, please send it my way too

If you read this far, thank you so much for your patience. I know we're all struggling and many have it so much much worse than our family.

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  • In terms of non conformist behaviour I think you’re doomed to failure. However more spicificly if he’s doing things regularly that have a strong negative efect on others. Like say making unreasonable demands and causing problems when they are not met. Well you might be able to moderate that behaviour by helping him understand, interpreting for want of a better word, the effect of very specific things he does on others. 

    as for getting him to join in that will require a) finding a place that speaks to his emotional needs and b) showing him engaging with it wouldn’t be hopeless.

    also with regards to executive function. Eg remembering things, time management etc. How is he with computers.

    my executive functioning got a lot better when I started having PDAs and smartphones do the parts I was bad at for me.

  • Thank you Peter. He's good with computers but although we've tried things like apps to schedule task/reminders he  forgets to use them. 

    I can be very disorganised too, so am not the best person to help him stay on top of things! 

    His never makes unreasonable demands, he hardly asks for anything - the problems arise when he has to interact with anyone. If asked to do something he doesn't want to do he is just very rude which I tend to ignore, but my husband and parents; and previously lecturers in college; are offended by and get annoyed with him/take his electronic devices away/exclude from college etc.

    I don't think he can help it, sometimes he will say something rude without any obvious trigger at all and he has said he doesn't know why he does it. He also has echolalia and palilalia so maybe it's related?

    He doesn't want to hurt people's feelings. He gets disproportionately upset if he thinks he has upset me, so I ignore any insults and this is actually the quickest way to diffuse the situation.

    Unfortunately society at large doesn't ignore someone loudly telling them they are a cretin for no reason at all! He has lost online friends through this behaviour too, which has upset him but he can't seem to moderate it Disappointed 

  • It can help to think of it less as rudeness and more as bluntness. In the way that children often simply state what they see with out restraint. eg 'mommy why does that women only have half a face' kind of thing. If he keeps describing people as cretins it's not likely to be for 'no reason' but from his point of view they've done something stupid. If it's any help he's probably just as critical of himself. I still refer to stupid errors and me being an 'idiot' when I screw things up. From his point of view stupid actions = stupid people and his threshold for stupid might be quite low if he's a bit of a perfectionist.

    There is also the possibility the rude outbursts are 'ticks' if he truly doesn't intend to say them. I know at least one autistic person with a diagnosed 'tick disorder' which they assure me is not Tourettes but has Tourettes like features. However autistic people in general its not that they have a compulsion to say something rude but that they are unaware they are saying anything rude at all.

    With regards to school / collage I'm afraid they may just have to accept overlooking, or at least responding more softly, to such outbursts as a reasonable adjustment.

    Simple things, like calling people names, stupid, cretin, etc, you might explain to him always tend to cause offence. But more complex 'rude' behaviour may be things those around him like his father simply learn to tolerate and part of the solution might be helping him to educate others about how autism effects him.

    If asked to do something he doesn't want to do he is just very rude which I tend to ignore

    Is it 'doesn't want to do' or things that to him seem irrational or unfair? Autistic people can be argumentative. Using phases like 'because i say so' can trigger a reaction of logical incredulity as if you'd just told someone the sky was green. Faced with an absurd demand backed up with an irrational reason walking away doesn't seem so unnatural. So the question I would ask is does he view these requests as absurd and the reasons given as irrational?

    although we've tried things like apps to schedule task/reminders he  forgets to use them.

    I tend to avoid 'reminders' and use hard and fast appointments. If there is something important I need to do I tend to fix a time in the calendar to do it so my phone will beep when its time. If I can't do it literally right then I'll reschedule it even if its just putting it back by an hour.

  • Thank you Peter, this is very helpful. I've felt like I've made progress over the last few days in understanding the way my son sees things, not only because of answers here but also through talking with him. 

    He has opened up a lot  which I know is hard for him, and he talked about what things are difficult for him.

    I suggested joining a site like this as there are lots of people here who will have experienced; and learned how to deal with; similar issues. He didn't want to, but that may change. 

    Thank you again x

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  • Thank you Peter, this is very helpful. I've felt like I've made progress over the last few days in understanding the way my son sees things, not only because of answers here but also through talking with him. 

    He has opened up a lot  which I know is hard for him, and he talked about what things are difficult for him.

    I suggested joining a site like this as there are lots of people here who will have experienced; and learned how to deal with; similar issues. He didn't want to, but that may change. 

    Thank you again x

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