Not conforming

Hi all, I new here and didn't know where to begin. To avoid the very long read below: how do you motivate a teenager ( who is on the spectrum) to try to participate in everyday activities or conform to social norms even slightly if they do not see the point and don't accept that norms should be conformed to?

Please bear with me if I sound impatient with my son who has enough to deal with and massive anxieties around everyday life. I am not new to autism but only recently accepting that his life is not going to be the way I expected it to be.

Long story:

My son is 18 and on the spectrum. He managed to get through mainstream education with 25 hours classroom support per week and passed his GCSEs and BTEC. School was a struggle as his social skills were so poor, and he often lashed out verbally at other pupils and staff. He was often taken out of lessons due to anxiety. Nevertheless he wasn't too unhappy at school although he was adamant that after GCSEs he wasn't going back. 

Since leaving school he has tried two different college courses which he was unable to maintain longer than a few months due to poor executive function and anxiety (which led to behaviour jssues). I fought hard to get support for him in college but he got so far behind with his work (I don't think he did any any, at all) that he hated college and refused to go back. It didn't help that his first attempt happened during lockdown so he had to work from home, which was hard.

He is now on a course which prepares students to work if they are not in education or training 

Since he left his last course I'm feeling more and more hopeless about his future. While he was in school with support it was easy to forget how difficult everyday life is for him. He is high functioning and gives people the impression that he is intelligent but there are so.many things we take for granted as easy to do but which he can't do without a LOT of help.

While he was in school I  put off worrying about what we would do next as he seemed to be coping, and persuaded myself that things would fall into place.  I really underestimated how hard things actually are for him. Now that the routine and familiarity of school has gone he seems adrift and has gone really downhill. His mental health has deteriorated and he often feels depressed or anxious. (Yes, we have tried getting help from the NHS). He won't engage with any of the support services we were able to find in the community as being around people makes him anxious. He is close to dropping out of the skills course.

As I said his executive function is poor. He can't organise himself to get dressed, wash, eat clean himself, wear clean clothes or anything without support. He can't remember things he's supposed to be doing, appointments etc. He can do all these things with a lot of prompting but is incredibly challenging about it. He can be verbally aggressive if asked to do basic things like get up or put clean clothes on. He challenges me on why he has to do anything like try to adhere to a daily routine, plan for the future and work towards paid employment  - why should he participate in society at any level? Or even wash his hair, ever. I can't answer him because logical arguments do not work.

I realise I come across as not very understanding of his limitations and  apologise if this is offensive. I love my son so much, I think I always assumed things would get better as he got older (and never really realised how hard life was for him until now). I'm only now facing up to the reality that he will not lead a typical life, and it is scary. 

Ifanyone has any advice on how I can be a better parent to him I will take it as I know I need it.

And if anyone has advice on getting teenagers to do thigs they see as pointless, please send it my way too

If you read this far, thank you so much for your patience. I know we're all struggling and many have it so much much worse than our family.

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  • As a mother (who is on the Spectrum) of a 25 year old with dyslexia who only started thriving 3 years ago, I'm going to suggest first to re-examine the problem by asking a different question. The Autism Spectrum is so different from how NeuroTypical individuals thrive, that in order to figure out how to make that happen, one needs to completely reframe their thinking.

    Here's and analogy to what I hear you saying: How do I make this tropical plant grow (conform) in Greenland as if it is native.

    First, much of the pomp and drama in society IS pointless. It's tribal behaviour, it's a suffocating echo chamber, it has an ability to become corrupted and fascist. It's theatrics with misuse of pragmatics. At one extreme, conforming at any given time in history might mean being on the wrong side of history. Therefore, for an Autistic, it is fundamentally important to Prioritise. Shift focus to crucially important elements.  Change the question. How sick is society and what can I bother with in order to be an active part of it. What do I enjoy about society that I can learn basic rules to engage with. Who am I as a human and How can I find purpose. How can I function and thrive in this environment? What do I need to become a person I admire (and this may take time for your son to develop what he truly admires). These questions are philosophical, they are reasonable, and for someone who is autistic, they involve finding key principles in order to navigate. Principles of social engagement will always remain conscious and I will need to make an effort to recollect them, unlike my NeuroTypical peers.

    For a more in-depth understanding, here are a few articles: 

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/everyday-neurodiversity/202108/are-we-giving-autistic-children-ptsd-school?fbclid=IwAR0e6pwWeDC7C0c3EJAE1qdd9PyMyCqkgwIvTDEIxPKGBOV7Qn9hrgN5kI8

    https://autcollab.org/2020/04/30/autism-the-cultural-immune-system-of-human-societies/?fbclid=IwAR37xumHkRga0hADICA80wxaWycn7_Kr9Oc6uZhcs2zJ0QzamXOI4qwU2bQ 

    I hear you asking for advice about how to help him operate in society as innately as someone who is NeuroTypical. That won't ever happen. However, while asking this, I have absolutely no idea about what his interests are, what his Myers Briggs personality type is, what he does when he's bored or even what kind of games he might play. Does he enjoy camping? Could he head to a summer camp with autistic individuals? Have you hunted down workshops for courses that might spark his interest? Wood working or coding or Glass blowing or foraging? 

    Because the world expects to be able to navigate in NT ways, Autistics need to master one skill at a time. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/18/modern-world-bad-for-brain-daniel-j-levitin-organized-mind-information-overload 

    It's imperative we are allowed to finish one task at a time, spend time engaging with a technique, not force a thing or cut a process short. 

    However, it is Absolutely crucial that Ethics and Principles are fundamental. We can then take on other tasks. Rules of being and being a grounded human. I had friends who were able to focus on their quality of being - they were not forced into the workplace at 15, they were not in survival mode. They weren't wealthy, but their parents helped to allow them to focus on learning how to master their craft. They were able to focus on studying. They weren't malnourished. They were able to focus. 20 years later, these are well adjusted humans with good jobs and much less chaotic lives. I personally do not make much, but I have found that as I've persued grounding morals, learning mindfulness, understanding how to have healthy relationships, my son has simply started to mirror these and I've been able to help him become a human who, as priority, is more emotionally and psychologically grounded. Whatever the difficulty in life, individuals will give their left arm to help someone who is kind, generous, considerate, if even terribly clumsy with socialising. 

    As for... getting dressed. It may mean becoming more involved, still treating him with respect, grace and dignity, while doing things for him you might have done when he was little and acting like it's completely normal until a thing becomes habitual or he grows to enjoy it. Here's the catch: just be the mum. Life is so short. Enjoy every little thing he allows you to do for him - we are all still that little human we were born, wonderful and imaginative and excited about the world. But this sad overwhelming realty knocked us over and for some, it's so daunting and horrible, we might appear to be 'alive' but in our inner selves it's like being locked in a dark room. My goal has always been to help until I'm asked not to. Not ruin, or coddle or allow bad ethics, but Help. Sometimes it means Directly saying I'd like you to help me with the laundry. Don't tell him you have a whole plan on how to slowly over the course of 2 months teach him about the art of using bleach, or the perfect measurements to detergent or precision with creases that would make a butler drop his jaw. Make a secret plan. Then treat each little engaging technique like you just happened to think of it. And always give him a good amount of heads up.  Maybe buy 8 new t shirts and allow him to throw out the old ones when he's ready. But don't just buy any shirt. Find 100% cotton. Find something to aesthetically engage with, that feels nice and looks nice to wear. A new one is tried on, it feel like pure soft cotton, it's aesthetically cut, outside, people respond better because being put together is a social kindness. These things have their own timing and process. Allow for that and make absolutely no deal about it. But just like any principle or ethic or craft, use an intentionality. Every thing you overcome as a human being, every bettering of the self, children naturally respect and tend to follow. 

  • Thank you for taking the time to answer me so thoroughly, and for including so much information. I couldn't reply sooner as I had to take my daughter to athletics, but when I got home I gave my son a big hug and told him I was proud of him, and i reread what you wrote. 

    You are so right: it isn't fair to expect him to operate in society as innately as someone who is neurotypical, and yes despite my best intentions that is kind of what i had been expecting. 

    I worry that I've been putting pressure on him to engage with education and training when he struggles so much with it. To be fair the skills programme he is on now just allow him to make music in their recording studio all day and occasionally get him to do an activity like writing CVs (which he complains about and doesn't see the point of).

    I have to persuade him to go to the programme  at the moment though as he is starting to resent the non music-related content. So do i keep making him go or am I convincing myself its a good thing for him to do because I'm thinking in terms of what a neurotypical person (or maybe just me) would want?

    I need to accept that maybe he doesn't need social interaction to feel happy, maybe he doesn't care if he never works, and maybe being clean and smelling nice just doesn't matter to him either. 

    The only problem is that so many in society are scared or unaccepting of difference. When his behaviours haven't conformed in the past it has made him vulnerable to ridicule/mockery, and even  assault (ie the verbally lashing out at people has made then retaliate in the past, including him getting punched in the face on the school bus). My fear is that he will be targeted for not conforming. I think that's where my worries are coming from  - wanting to keep him safe from people who don't understand him.

    I know I have a lot to learn, I will try the approach you suggested.

    Also, what you said about your friends gives me hope.

    Thank you for this xx

  • I hope you don’t mind me saying this (I say it with respect and I know you love your son) but it’s important to remember that your son is 18 and an adult. As parents we have to make that shift and acknowledge that even though our children may have many challenges when they reach adulthood we have to respect their autonomy. It’s your sons choice whether or not he goes to college, or washes etc. It’s so important to respect that and to make it clear to him that you recognise that he is an adult now and that you completely respect his right to make decisions about his own life. 
    when you say ‘I have to persuade him to go to the programme’ I think maybe that’s not the best way to go. You can express your thoughts on the issue but if you respect him you’ll make it clear to him that he has the right to choose what he feels is best for him. He might make mistakes but he will learn from his mistakes I’m sure. But he needs to know that you recognise he is an adult who can make choices for himself. 
    I understand your concerns of course.  But you’ll be there for him if he encounters any problems like that. 

  • Thank you so much, and yes it can be so hard to get the right support in education. We got lucky with both primary and secondary school - we didn't realise how lucky until college. 

    My son did surprise me one time by spontaneously deciding to wash his hair (its very long and curly as he gets anxious getting it cut). He'd noticed that it was greasy and felt disgusting! I was so happy. At the time I'd given up trying to ask him to wash it as I couldn't deal with the verbal outbursts, and I did shed some (happy) tears in secret!

    Have you tried not prompting your son with one thing (eg hair) to see how he manages? 

    Thank you for helping me feel supported in this  and much love to your family too xx

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  • Thank you so much, and yes it can be so hard to get the right support in education. We got lucky with both primary and secondary school - we didn't realise how lucky until college. 

    My son did surprise me one time by spontaneously deciding to wash his hair (its very long and curly as he gets anxious getting it cut). He'd noticed that it was greasy and felt disgusting! I was so happy. At the time I'd given up trying to ask him to wash it as I couldn't deal with the verbal outbursts, and I did shed some (happy) tears in secret!

    Have you tried not prompting your son with one thing (eg hair) to see how he manages? 

    Thank you for helping me feel supported in this  and much love to your family too xx

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