Jehovah's Witnesses with ASD

Now now you two ...........calm down :)

What an interesting discussion/argument, thanks for making some very pertinent points.

Mattbucks I would disagree with you on your premise the main stream media are not biased. The two recent referendums I have been involved with (Scotland/EU) have proved to me beyond a shadow of doubt the media take sides based on the beliefs of the owners, generally very wealthy members of the elite "Establishment" who are closely tied up with politicians. Like big business lobbyists they "buy" influence indirectly by making donations to political parties or by wining and dining etc.

There are revolving doors between the media and politics. Well documented cases exist.

You scratch my back now and I will scratch your back sometime in the future.

In that respect I agree with ClairHig in that rich people just want to get richer and they actually will do almost anything to make that happen including not allowing the facts to get in the way of a good story. (fake news and post -truth era has existed for a long time before it became a twitter hashtag)

All religions were created to control the masses and scare them into doing what they are told to do. They are self-preservation societies protecting the elites from anarchy.

The French revolution is an example of what can happen when the masses get out of control. Civil war results as we see in the Middle East today.

In secular society the law does the same job through the process of democracy (in theory) sadly democracy can be manipulated by clever politicians to personal gain.

The "Old Boy" networks of the private school education system and Oxbridge universities keeps most of us excluded from the ruling elites and lucrative employment positions where its not what you know but who you know that gets you success.

Some form of consensus is essential for a civilised society to exist be that a common religious belief and code of conduct or a democratic system of the rule of law and judicial enforcement. What really annoys me is when such a system is surpassed by unscrupulous elitism. If there is no trust in the system to be fair it will collapse into anarchy.

Now now you two ...........calm down :)

What an interesting discussion/argument, thanks for making some very pertinent points.

Mattbucks I would disagree with you on your premise the main stream media are not biased. The two recent referendums I have been involved with (Scotland/EU) have proved to me beyond a shadow of doubt the media take sides based on the beliefs of the owners, generally very wealthy members of the elite "Establishment" who are closely tied up with politicians. Like big business lobbyists they "buy" influence indirectly by making donations to political parties or by wining and dining etc.

There are revolving doors between the media and politics. Well documented cases exist.

You scratch my back now and I will scratch your back sometime in the future.

In that respect I agree with ClairHig in that rich people just want to get richer and they actually will do almost anything to make that happen including not allowing the facts to get in the way of a good story. (fake news and post -truth era has existed for a long time before it became a twitter hashtag)

All religions were created to control the masses and scare them into doing what they are told to do. They are self-preservation societies protecting the elites from anarchy.

The French revolution is an example of what can happen when the masses get out of control. Civil war results as we see in the Middle East today.

In secular society the law does the same job through the process of democracy (in theory) sadly democracy can be manipulated by clever politicians to personal gain.

The "Old Boy" networks of the private school education system and Oxbridge universities keeps most of us excluded from the ruling elites and lucrative employment positions where its not what you know but who you know that gets you success.

Some form of consensus is essential for a civilised society to exist be that a common religious belief and code of conduct or a democratic system of the rule of law and judicial enforcement. What really annoys me is when such a system is surpassed by unscrupulous elitism. If there is no trust in the system to be fair it will collapse into anarchy.