student projects

Every year we get a number of students wanting us to respond to their final year project survey or investigation.  This is identified in the Forum Rules, but the causes are rather complex, and I can see a reason why students don't see that it applies to them, or are resistant to the guidelines.

Undergraduate students have to do final year projects, portfolios, long essays or somesuch demonstration of their understanding of the research process. They are usually prepared for this from second year (level 5 on some schemes).

The problem is there are thousands of them doing this every year. Usually a small minority have a clear idea what they want to do, get the right advice early, and are well underway following the correct procedures. Some institutions provide frameworks or wider projects within which one student's dissertation contributes to a longer process involving many, but the better students are selected.

What we tend to get in here are the ones who haven't planned ahead, often the ones who haven't been attending the research methods seminars. They are getting close to milestones such as having to produce a research hypothesis or a literature review for interim assessment, so they just grab what they can. Going on line and finding websites including forums like this may seem to be salvation. Such students aren't bothered about the rules and may be hoping to scrape through with a 2:2 or a third.

Also we tend to get students from unconventional courses for this kind of thing. We quite often get product design students who have opted to do a project around something useful to disabled children. It may well be that their dissertation supervisors or other tutors don't consider the impact their quests have. Even so if a tutor is setting up worshops around products for special needs, you would think the tutors would have an inkling (even if they are just glorified woodwork teachers).

Social Studies and Health Studies on the whole should properly advise students not to use disability forums or other sites with an inadequately defined population. However we do seem to get newer universities with "stack em high sell em cheap" approaches (large numbers of students and too few staff supervising), who don't seem to care where their students go for data.

We get a lot currently collecting data on children, even if it is through parents. I find it mind-boggling that their universities haven't made the issues clear to them. There are ways of researching around minors, but it includes getting screened beforehand, and strict guidelines. Yet every year there are students somewhere who get into trouble with the law found collecting data in parks, school playgrounds and in social events for under 16s. Some universities clearly don't understand the risks.

I think the Forum Rules needs a clearer set of instructions to students. These are people just trying to complete their degree, but as indicated, they aren't the high fliers who might go on to useful research. They are often the ones lucky if they scrape through, whose dissertations would be better shredded afterwards. Helping them isn't helping autism awareness.

Also it is worrying that these students are asking people on the forum to divulge personal and sensitive information for their project. Assessment of dissertations generally means the products being handed round staff for comments, left out for externals to look at and for the exam board, and left in accessible rooms until students comne in to collect them afterwards. They are not secure depositories.

  • Many of the projects posted here are very poorly designed and appear to break various ethics guidelines e.g. around informed consent and data protection etc.  This is no doubt the reason why the NAS requires such projects to gain permission (and presumably go through some sort of vetting procedure) prior to being posted on these boards.

    I think opening the floodgates to any sixth-former with a half-baked idea and no proper supervision by having such a thread would be a really bad idea and potentially open the membership up to all kinds of issues, be it unintentional data breaches or psychologically damaging research by incompetent 'researchers', or malicious attempts to mine data from less benign sources.

    Plus, I don't particularly want to be used as a zoo-exhibit for research that is not contributing anything useful to the knowledge base.

  • I have a suggestion which might help with Longmans concern of the desire not to make weak students even weaker etc and not to increase our own vulnerability in the desire to help students and give too much away of ourselves etc.

    why not have a totally seperate room/thread especially for Student Projects? If students post in the wrong place then all a Mod need do is transfer it to that section. We in return will know it a student project and thus only go to that 'room' if we want to see if we can help?

    The last student project isn't even a university student but college student and it really shouldn't matter which college they are from.  But at least gives us some protection about being bombarded with student course work and gives them some access/insight to ASD conditions. After all, we want them to learn because they may progress onto other studies and whilst some may foundly think these are the poor achiever students, ie the ones who don't get good grades, we don't actually know that for sure do we? Other Students may be reading and not posting but learning.  We don't want to stop learning. But we want to protect our vulnerability. 

    so why not set up another title thread, just for student course work? Having been a student myself I know everyone needs to start somewhere with their coursework and for all we know those student who post here have used here to gain knowledge about possible local groups and gone there too.  We don't know anything about the student who posts here in all fairness.

    But why not set up a seperate link for them so they can contact us through the community forum and those of us who are willing to respond are able to do so but don't feel pressured for not doing so. It could be controlled and monitored quite well. For example you could state link closed from April to October?

  • Could the Mods please keep a record of the universities identified. In my experience there are certain persistent offenders.

    I understand that naming could cause legal problems, but really, this whole problem is avoidable. Most universities have clear conduct rules. Occasionally there's a request from one of the better behaving universities, but most of the time it is about four universities, and specific departments.

    If NAS was able to write to the persistant ones we might get it stopped altogether.

  • Hi everyone,

    Your points about research requests through the community have been taken into consideration. This is against our rules as you explain but I've also removed the names of the universities as this does not comply with our rules.

    Sofie Mod

  • I was trying to avoid naming, which the Mods may want to avoid, but it was that other  university in [removed by mod], from where we have had these in the past.

    All the same it might be productive if the Mods would instigate an action of that sort. I think it may be difficult for them. And I have a concern myself that such action might terminate the studies of a weak student who might yet improve his/her ways. Also the student in question might have aspergers or a learning disability.

    I try to constructively inform in the short space of time before the Mods delete the posting, in the hope it might feed back. Part of me would like to contact the university concerned but I'm very conscious of the rules and I'd be breaching the confidentiality of the forum, and as above might ruin an unpromising undergraduate's career on a technicality.

    While it is weak students that do this sort of things it is weak supervision by the lecturers responsible. They are supposed to teach students about the ethics of research. I sometimes wonder if the lecturers concerned bothered much about ethics getting their degrees.

  • Agree. The previous one was a student of [removed by mod] University, perhaps NAS could contact the course leader of whatever course that person was taking at that Uni to politely remind their students that we don't exist solely to help them get their degree?

  • I hope someone from NAS reads this post as very clear xxx