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Neuro Typicals and communication problems

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Hello!

Does anybody here suffer with society/neuro typicals who have communication problems/psychological problem themselves? i suffer terribly with people, partly becuse their communication isn't perfect themselves and if they have psychological problems, then it makes it so much harder for somebody with aspergers to process it/deal with it.

I googled why people ignore you-mostly it's things like they didn't see you,they were in a hurry, technology problems,they are in the middle of personal problems, or they don't know what to do, so they do nothing.

But for some people with aspergers, whom have slight/minute lack of social imagination, or parranoia problems/extreem worry due to lack of light in the house/environment-to ignore people and do nothing, leaving someone with aspergers to second guess, is awful. It just makes them go along the self esteem route, worrying if they've done something wrong, or if they're actually liked e.t.c.

And when you do ask the neuro typical about why their ignoring you,they haven't thought-it's usually because they have some bad/negative news- and even then they don't deliver it well and think about how it would make you feel! Appologies if this is a bit ranting-just a bit upset today and had a few examples of bad delivery/people leaving me to second guess/worry silly e.t.c this week!

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  • I think part of the problem might be mirror neurons, which apparently neurotypicals have more of.

    Mirror neurons fire equally if a persons sees someone else doing something, or does it themselves.  Arguably this is the basis for nt's being able to understand each other's emotions and actions: when they see someone doing something they feel as if they are doing it themselves.  So if they see someone being disgusted by eating something, they 'know' and actually experience what that feels like. 

    Of course the nt view is anyone who has less of these is going to be crippled.

    When I think about it though, I think this can have some drawbacks as an 'empathy' system. 

    For a start, it's only going to give you an accurate diagnosis of other's emotions and intentions if they have the same intentions and emotions you would have.

    Secondly, imagine two people with lots of mirror neurones enter a room. One is feeling angry, one is feeling sad. Both would 'feel' the other's emotions, surely leading to a tendency to move towards each other's emotions, and end up feeling both the same.  So in this case the mirror neurones might not work to help them understand each other's starting emotions, instead they might work to cause nt's to agree on an emotion to share.

    If an nt and an autie (with different levels of mirror neurones) meet, then the nt might start to 'equalise' emotionally, and realise that the autie is not doing this: perhaps the basis for nt's seeing auties as self-centred/emotionally cold?

    Also, auties can develop ways of conciously understanding and reacting to other's emotions and intentions.  Nt's don't 'need' to do this, so there's potential for auties to actually exceed nt's in concious understanding.

    So mirror neurones might actually impede someone in understanding someone who is different to them.

    Here's a link for anyone who wants to read more.  Of course the article (and especially the one on autism and mirror neurones it links to) assume that nt levels of mirror neurones are perfect and anything less must be a deficit... http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror.aspx

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  • I think part of the problem might be mirror neurons, which apparently neurotypicals have more of.

    Mirror neurons fire equally if a persons sees someone else doing something, or does it themselves.  Arguably this is the basis for nt's being able to understand each other's emotions and actions: when they see someone doing something they feel as if they are doing it themselves.  So if they see someone being disgusted by eating something, they 'know' and actually experience what that feels like. 

    Of course the nt view is anyone who has less of these is going to be crippled.

    When I think about it though, I think this can have some drawbacks as an 'empathy' system. 

    For a start, it's only going to give you an accurate diagnosis of other's emotions and intentions if they have the same intentions and emotions you would have.

    Secondly, imagine two people with lots of mirror neurones enter a room. One is feeling angry, one is feeling sad. Both would 'feel' the other's emotions, surely leading to a tendency to move towards each other's emotions, and end up feeling both the same.  So in this case the mirror neurones might not work to help them understand each other's starting emotions, instead they might work to cause nt's to agree on an emotion to share.

    If an nt and an autie (with different levels of mirror neurones) meet, then the nt might start to 'equalise' emotionally, and realise that the autie is not doing this: perhaps the basis for nt's seeing auties as self-centred/emotionally cold?

    Also, auties can develop ways of conciously understanding and reacting to other's emotions and intentions.  Nt's don't 'need' to do this, so there's potential for auties to actually exceed nt's in concious understanding.

    So mirror neurones might actually impede someone in understanding someone who is different to them.

    Here's a link for anyone who wants to read more.  Of course the article (and especially the one on autism and mirror neurones it links to) assume that nt levels of mirror neurones are perfect and anything less must be a deficit... http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror.aspx

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