Nightmare Work Conference

Just got back home from a work conference which I had been dreading for months. I didn't really have a choice, and convinced myself to go through with it, on the basis that it would help my job security, following a review where I was told if I wanted to progress at work, I need to attend these events.

Now I am back, I wish I had of missed it, as it has turned out worse than I had feared. I think I have offended some colleagues and management. Since my diagnosis, I have found myself being very vocal when I am having a hard time, which usually ends up with me ranting and swearing. While it does let off some steam, I feel very ashamed afterwards. Not good when I have been doing this at work.

The conference was a 4 day trip to France in a holiday resort out in the middle of nowhere. Most of the attendees are people I have not met, and others I have met only on a few occaisions over past five years. We are all expected to approach and speak with people we dont know.

There were activities and big dinner, you are intentionally grouped in with people you do not know or do not work with regularly. The activities were highly competitive, and I was unfortunately teamed with business owner and 2 senior managers. I made a foolish suggestion for one of the activities, and was laughed at by all members, another activity was football based, I told them I can't play, but had to show willingness to participate. The guy I was playing against was really talented, I got slaugtered, and lost the game. Just got very demotivated, and then being excluded from taking part. 

All the time doing this we had photographers, taking photos. Even under normal circumstanced I just cant cope with my photo being taken. I usually try and avoid the cameras, or try and blend in with the crowd. We had a big marketing photo shoot, but the cameras were placed at unusual locations, I was depressed and hacked off, and was in centre at front of some of the shots.

The only bit I was looking forward too was the food, but this place has the restaurant from hell. A big hall with seating, and central area with tables of food for buffet. The food was not laid out well, try to build a meal with some items, and you could not find all the items, or had to queue up for different bits, and by the end your meal was cold. There were loads of people just rushing around all directions, people just jumping the queue. I wanted some beef steak, but it was being served rare, too rare for my liking. I noticed a chef was cooking some bits longer and serving it to people cooked. Whenever I turned up to him he would point me to where the other steak which was rare, I just pointed to what I wanted, and he just directed me to the other queue, so just walked away. Frequently I would see other people approach him, and he would just hand out the meat he was cooking. I had a meltdown, and other colleagues asked if I was ok. It took me nearly two hours to finally get the steak.

Another problem with the whole complex was the layout, it was like a maze of corridors, small stairs, spiraling in odd directions, and signs that would lead you to a dead end. After getting my meal, I could not find where all my colleagues were sitting. So in the end, just sat down where I found a place. A bit later, the place I was sitting was close to the exit route, and senior managers were walking past seeing me eat on my own.

We had lots of very boring and tired sales presentations to sit through, but even when we had free time. I seemed to pick the places where the senior managers were hanging out. This has been one of the worst experiences I have ever had. 

Has really kicked my depression down another notch or two, and all the hard work I had done to control my diet for the diabetes review in a few weeks time has been destroyed, as I have been eating to help deal with my depression.

I am seriously considering handing my resignation in

  • That conference sounds like hell on earth, even for most NTs (certainly the ones I know!)

    And that is crazy that they gave you hassle about missing a party when you had shingles. It can be brought on by stress, but is also very contagious, so an xmas party is the last place you ought to be!

    Good advice from others here. And at least if you do decide to tell your manager about your diagnosis, you are not the only one, and hopefully should have an ally. Good luck.

  • Former Member
    Former Member

    Good pragmatic points from longman. Know your limits and work with what you have rather kick against what you haven't got.

    Another thought I have had about your original post was that I got the impression that your depression may have in control when you wrote it. Everything was an issue and nothing was going right, it was all hopeless. It would be really bad to let that temporary mood take you down a route of resigning. You can always hold that back as an escape route if it gets too bad but there a several things to try first.

    I think you could tell your HR department. This isn't guaranteed to be a good thing to do as there are many people in HR who won't do the right thing but you have some substantial legal protection that they should be really afraid of. The job of HR in my opinion is to keep the human resources of a firm happy and engaged in doing good stuff for an organisation - the legal situation means that they have to jump through extra hoops before they do anything drastic.

    They will probably want to tell your line manager but no-one else needs to know. If your line manager is hopeless than that limits your options but one route through this is to get him on side and for you to keep doing good work to support him - work is a two-way contract - managers need people to make stuff happen and you need somewhere where you can do your thing and get paid for it.

  • Sadly this is a neurotypical thing - bonding in the workplace. It is supposed to develop team spirit and take people out of their comfort zone so management can observe their potential by seeing how they cope with the unfamiliar. Some organisations use a similar strategy for recruitment, getting twenty candidates together over several days for meals and events, to see how they react.

    Also I have to say the manager that dreamed up this trip to France is probably getting a separate all expences paid holiday on the Riviera for choosing them... but most definately do not repeat that suggestion.

    I've attended a lot of such events in different contexts. I have established a rough idea when I reach my limit, and then excuse myself and go somewhere private so I can have a breather. People may criticise me for it, but I'd rather have that little niggle than make a fool of myself in public. I don't meltdown now but I do get stressy and very vocal.

    The way I find to deal with things is to confront these tricky environments, observe from the sidelines what stresses me and what I can manage, and when I'm likely to hit my limit. I can then go along and do as much as I can, rather than opt out, which they do not like. I was doing this years before a diagnosis provided me with an explanation.

    Also I very purposely don't mingle. I find a place to sit or stand near a wall so the sounds come at me from one direction. They don't like that either, but I've worked out my endurance limits hits a whole lot sooner if I'm in the midst of a crowd of people all talking. I don't mind the comments - the main point is I'm there when I need to do my bit.

    Sometimes you can create a purpose for absenting yourself for a while - look out for things that need doing. You'd be amazed how many opportunities are there if you look hard enough. Doing some photocopying of notes or replenishing crisps and nuts, unless there's someone specifically tasked to do that, will be appreciated, even if they gossip about it.

    I have also found over the years I am good at certain things others are not. I can take notes at discussion sessions and workshops, synthesise and extract very quickly, and provide a summing up with style - not everyone's forte I know, but I've had to learn that the only way to balance shortfalls is to trade rare talents. I can go and sort something out with venue management, or do some peacemaking between rivals off to one side.

    If that sounds creepy, it is just that, in life, you have to please the neurotypicals, and they like doing conference, so to survive it you need to make yourself indispensible in ways you can manage, so as to offset having to disappear mysteriously every now and then in order to survive. And they might make you an organiser (unless that prospect scares you). Organisers can disappear now and then on some important errand.

    For most of my life I didn't have a diagnosis, and my oddity was a big issue everywhere I worked, sometimes ridiculously so. Neurotypicals can be so downright petty. I had to survive, and I found ways that worked.

  • Do you actually want to 'get on'? If you are happy in your present role there's no logic to trying to compete to get 'higher', especially as that often means less of your present role and more managing people!  If they are encouraging you to 'get on' it may mean that they think you do a good job. In this case a good manager should be open to suggestions for a sideways move: more of the things you like/are good at, and maybe higher pay to reflect your skills and experience.  But not going into management...

    It's good someone at work is already out, and is being allowed to skip these events: so you know it's possible.  The comments are probably just ignorance: if there's two of you hopefully they'll get used to the idea of having aspies around!

     

  • Thanks for your reply, my manager does not know about my diagnosis, but I have been struggling with life in general over past year or two. I have told them I have some serious problems and wil let them know when I am ready to discuss with them. Have been thinking about best way to do this, I will be asking for "reasonable adjustments".

    I can opt out of these, but that is looked upon very negatively. At my yearly review, it was mentioned that I am expected to attend these events if I want to get on. There are a few employees who don't go to these, one has aspergers, and I hear many people talking about them becuse of this in a very derogitory way. I had shingles this time last year, and returned to work just before christmas party. I didn't go, because I just was not ready to handle travelling long journeys, I was still in pain, I got a lot of flak, even for that.

  • Former Member
    Former Member

    Hi Random,

    I think the first year after a diagnosis can be very difficult. We get to the point of needing a diagnosis because we don't get on with work colleagues etc and then working out how to adjust after diagnosis is difficult.

    I've been learning to keep my mouth shut more at work but I don't know what to say, or who to say it to or how to say it as I am less confident about speaking my mind as I am now aware that my views might be seen as outlandish rather than just different or lateral thinking. I'm trying to go through a period of watching and listening and giving my speaking a bit of a rest.

    Does your manager know that you have a diagnosis? Have you got any "reasonable adjustments" in place. It would have been reasonable to be able to opt out of such an event. It sounds like a really unpleasant ordeal for soemone with ASD - I hate these things too - all of the ra-ra-ra sales nonsense does nothing for me at all.

    We tend to be very critical of everything and it sounds as though you have been criticising yourself (who cares if you are not a footballer - I am now resigned to having a bit of dyspraxia and that explains why I hated sports and games at school - gym was a particularly cruel and unusual thing to put someone like me through). Give yourself a break - be proud of what you can do technically and try not to give a d%%% about some of the other corporate rituals.