Americanisms

I’ve noticed a lot of written quizzes now seem to start with”Riddle me this.” It makes no sense. I do remember ‘The Riddler’ in the original Batman series using it, but it now seems to be creeping in to UK use.

lol I don’t hear that often around here except in the context of Batman’s The Riddler. I guess that would be considered an Americanism if it originates from American media, even if it isn’t well-accepted as a social norm in real American culture?

profdanger said:

I guess that would be considered an Americanism if it originates from American media,

Regretfully, I regard any nonsensical phrase as probably American. Like the awful "just sayin'", which makes me shudder.

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/quotalouettequot-emc

I can’t vouch for the accuracy of this information, but I think it likely that the repetitive nature of the songs would make them popular learning tools for the many children who learned French.

Jolly good leveller61 

Hooray!

I suspect WW1 and WW2 may have a bearing on that, B, with action in France and Belgium and the presence of Québecois soldiers as part of the substantial Canadian forces. They'd have passed the songs on to their comrades who would take them home to their own countries. 

My surname is of Anglicised Norman heritage too ArchaeC  and I am a Canadian dual national, so indeed long live

ArchaeC said:

Children in most European countries used to sing it and also Frère Jacques.

Very interesting as I remember singing both Alouette and Frere Jacques in my infant + junior schools in Hampshire in the late 1960s to early 1970s but had no idea they were so universally sung.

I wonder why 

I believe it is Québécois, although at the time I thought it was French. Children in most European countries used to sing it and also Frère Jacques. 

Pōkarekare Ana is a beautiful song. I was introduced to it through Classic FM and sing only the repeating title when it is played. Hayley Westenra sings it beautifully.

ArchaeC said:

Did you sing the Québécois song ‘Alouette’ at school?

It's Québécois? I always thought it was French!

profdanger said:

It is interesting singing in languages you don’t understand.

It is. I learnt the Maori song Pōkarekare Ana (along with traditional actions) in primary school and can still sing it today. 

Did you sing the Québécois song ‘Alouette’ at school?

As small children, it felt like we sang it every music lesson. LONG LIVE  

There are Norman surnames on English lines of my ancestry. 

It is interesting singing in languages you don’t understand. There’s something about the relationship of music and language that breaks down the individual sounds of the syllables into manageable bite-sized chunks that our minds can comprehend easier than reading out the words normally.

However that being said, I adore the Japanese music of Miki Matsubara and Tatsuro Yamashita, but even if you wrote out the rōmaji script for the words and I probably know every note of their songs intimately, I probably still couldn’t sing their songs lol.

When I sang, only to myself in private, I'd just copy the sounds I heard I rarely understand the words even if they're sung in English and thats the only language I can speak, well barely. The odd thing is, I'm very good with accents, I just can't speak the languages, or I'm equally dyslexic in all languages?

profdanger said:

The United Kingdom accepting a French term into their native dialect? What a monstrous invasion

It was indeed an invasion - a real invasion - by the Normans (French) of England that led to our old language being Frenchiefied (my word).

en.wikipedia.org/.../Anglo-Norman_language

TheCatWoman said:

Does anyone ever try and bathe in "the bathroom" or sleep in "the restroom"?

Yes! It’s called a bathroom because that is usually where you’ll find a bathtub or shower. That’s why it’s usually used in a private ownership context. As for restroom… idk. I mean, I’ve heard that female restrooms often have a couch or chair, I presume for nursing purposes. From an Autistic perspective, the restroom is where I usually get a brief respite from social interaction (so long as an elderly man or drunkard doesn’t forget the rule to not speak while next to someone at a urinal).

TheCatWoman said:

Loo comes from gardez l'voux, or guard your person as chamber pots were emptied out of windows and into the streets in medieval London.

The United Kingdom accepting a French term into their native dialect? What a monstrous invasion!

As a side note: French is actually my least favorite language. A lot of Americans romanticize it (it’s offered just as much in high schools as a second language as Spanish is, even though there’s practically no use for it here on USA soil), but in choir I despised singing in French. Italian is beautiful, German is wonderful, English is monstrous, Portuguese/Spanish is fun, but French is overall subpar in every way in my opinion.

Does anyone ever try and bathe in "the bathroom" or sleep in "the restroom"?

Loo comes from gardez l'voux, or guard your person as chamber pots were emptied out of windows and into the streets in medieval London.

'With you now', is one I hear a lot and is particlar to Wales, again in means when I've finished this...

Does anyone ever try and bathe in "the bathroom" or sleep in "the restroom"?

Loo comes from gardez l'voux, or guard your person as chamber pots were emptied out of windows and into the streets in medieval London.

'With you now', is one I hear a lot and is particlar to Wales, again in means when I've finished this...

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/quotalouettequot-emc

I can’t vouch for the accuracy of this information, but I think it likely that the repetitive nature of the songs would make them popular learning tools for the many children who learned French.

Jolly good leveller61 

Hooray!

I suspect WW1 and WW2 may have a bearing on that, B, with action in France and Belgium and the presence of Québecois soldiers as part of the substantial Canadian forces. They'd have passed the songs on to their comrades who would take them home to their own countries. 

My surname is of Anglicised Norman heritage too ArchaeC  and I am a Canadian dual national, so indeed long live

ArchaeC said:

Children in most European countries used to sing it and also Frère Jacques.

Very interesting as I remember singing both Alouette and Frere Jacques in my infant + junior schools in Hampshire in the late 1960s to early 1970s but had no idea they were so universally sung.

I wonder why 

I believe it is Québécois, although at the time I thought it was French. Children in most European countries used to sing it and also Frère Jacques. 

Pōkarekare Ana is a beautiful song. I was introduced to it through Classic FM and sing only the repeating title when it is played. Hayley Westenra sings it beautifully.

ArchaeC said:

Did you sing the Québécois song ‘Alouette’ at school?

It's Québécois? I always thought it was French!

profdanger said:

It is interesting singing in languages you don’t understand.

It is. I learnt the Maori song Pōkarekare Ana (along with traditional actions) in primary school and can still sing it today. 

Did you sing the Québécois song ‘Alouette’ at school?

As small children, it felt like we sang it every music lesson. LONG LIVE  

There are Norman surnames on English lines of my ancestry. 

It is interesting singing in languages you don’t understand. There’s something about the relationship of music and language that breaks down the individual sounds of the syllables into manageable bite-sized chunks that our minds can comprehend easier than reading out the words normally.

However that being said, I adore the Japanese music of Miki Matsubara and Tatsuro Yamashita, but even if you wrote out the rōmaji script for the words and I probably know every note of their songs intimately, I probably still couldn’t sing their songs lol.

When I sang, only to myself in private, I'd just copy the sounds I heard I rarely understand the words even if they're sung in English and thats the only language I can speak, well barely. The odd thing is, I'm very good with accents, I just can't speak the languages, or I'm equally dyslexic in all languages?

profdanger said:

The United Kingdom accepting a French term into their native dialect? What a monstrous invasion

It was indeed an invasion - a real invasion - by the Normans (French) of England that led to our old language being Frenchiefied (my word).

en.wikipedia.org/.../Anglo-Norman_language

TheCatWoman said:

Does anyone ever try and bathe in "the bathroom" or sleep in "the restroom"?

Yes! It’s called a bathroom because that is usually where you’ll find a bathtub or shower. That’s why it’s usually used in a private ownership context. As for restroom… idk. I mean, I’ve heard that female restrooms often have a couch or chair, I presume for nursing purposes. From an Autistic perspective, the restroom is where I usually get a brief respite from social interaction (so long as an elderly man or drunkard doesn’t forget the rule to not speak while next to someone at a urinal).

TheCatWoman said:

Loo comes from gardez l'voux, or guard your person as chamber pots were emptied out of windows and into the streets in medieval London.

The United Kingdom accepting a French term into their native dialect? What a monstrous invasion!

As a side note: French is actually my least favorite language. A lot of Americans romanticize it (it’s offered just as much in high schools as a second language as Spanish is, even though there’s practically no use for it here on USA soil), but in choir I despised singing in French. Italian is beautiful, German is wonderful, English is monstrous, Portuguese/Spanish is fun, but French is overall subpar in every way in my opinion.