Toxic characters in fiction?

Just finished The Amazing Digital Circus, and I felt the need to write this essay to process certain things about the ending, specifically about Jax. (SPOILER WARNING)

So, Jax is often portrayed as being mean and sarcastic to the other characters, but we learn later on that it's because he's afraid of them getting close to him and knowing the real him, but the lengths he goes to push them away often seem... excessive, in my opinion. Even after Pomni learns who he really is, he's still mean and hostile towards her despite the affection she shows towards him.

Let's compare him to Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty, for example; Both are afraid of people getting close to them incase they get hurt, so both of them act mean or cruel to push them away. Both of them also have a nihilistic world view. However, one big difference between the two; Rick has two moods; 1. I hate you, you're stupid and nothing matters, and 2. Nothing matters, but you still matter to me regardless. Meanwhile, Jax's two moods are; 1. I hate you, you're stupid and nothing matters, and 2. I hate you, don't touch me.

And there in lies the problem with Jax, in my opinion. Usually the whole "person who acts mean to push people away" trope has said mean person actually be a nice person on the inside, but with Jax, he's not a nice person on the inside, he's just a mean person who happens to also be sensitive, which is arguably worse and makes him far less endearing than Rick.

Anyway, I've gotten all that out of my system, anyone else got any other examples?

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  • Oh thats a shame, this is all about programes and stories I've never seen and never will, I was looking forward to discussing the topics raised in this thread.

  • I think Jamesmac is inviting that discussion! 

    I've been trying to think, as I know I've had that feeling but couldn't remember off hand. 

    One I really disliked is the main character Rand from Wheel of Time books. He's a pig headed sexist who's suspicious of any woman with any power or control, and the author has all the female characters fauning over him, and he just whines about how no one could understand him and has to play mind games with all those who are trying to help him. I got so annoyed I stopped reading the books. 

  • Your example kinda reminds of Kamille from Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam.

    He's very much internalised a toxicly masculine mindset thanks to a complex he has about his feminine name. He constantly picks fights with every male crew member of the Argama and simps for every female character he comes across. Doesn't help that Yoshiyuki Tomino, the creator of the Gundam franchise, is quite infamously sexist

  • The funny thing about the Zeta Gundam example though is that the original Gundam and Zeta's followup, Gundam ZZ, actually had a lot of strong female characters and fairly non-sexist writing despite it being the same writer

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