I'm often told that I should be proud of things like sporting achievements, but I hate sport and if it disapeared the only thing I'd notice was that my normal progames wern't being messed about because of it. It dosen't matter what sport is, mens, womens team or individual, I dont' care and I resent being told I should.
Can anyone give me a reason why I should care, because I really don't understand this national pride thing in sport, or much else to be honest.
I didn’t say that. You have clearly stated that you’re anti calling dog-walking a sport.
I'm not the one who thinks walking the dog is sport!
Sport and exercise are two different things. They have overlaps, but they are not the same.
Dog-walking is exercise. It is not a sport. If you mean walking your little Chow up the hill and speaking to your neighbour. That is not a sport. I hate to be the one to burst your bubble on this.
If you are talking about running beside your dog as it jumps through hoops and is trying to beat other dogs in a contest, then that could be called a sport.
Similar to what Cat already put before: unless you are releasing a pack of hounds onto another pack of hounds, watching as they tear each other apart. This is a sport of sorts. A very evil, illegal and discouraged sport.
To be defined as sport there needs to be some kind of competitive nature. I agree it can be individual or team. But for running you are trying to beat other people or records etc. Running outside of competitiveness is either just exercise or training for sport. Dog walking would just be exercise/recreational unless there was some kind of competitiveness to it.
I didn't say I was proud of our part in the renasaince, I said I find it interesting, theres a huge difference.
My bad. I skimmed too quickly and misread the comment. I agree these are very different.
I didn't say I was proud of our part in the renasaince, I said I find it interesting, theres a huge difference.
For me it's not about in or out groups, I'm not part of any group, nor do I feel the need to be and resist attempts to make me part of a group, I know it's not good for me as there will be some kind of group think, that I won't agree with, or will find stiffling in some way.
Like i said previously I've never really had a sense of achievement, I wasn't brought up to be pleased or proud of anything I'd done, there were things I'd done wrong and anything I done right was passed over as only what was expected. There were no rewards for doing things well or right, only punishments for doing it wrong
I don't see walking with Fearn as self care, it's something thats needs doing that I happen to enjoy, I don't see it as something to be proud of, why would I?
I don't see meeting up with a group for a dog walk as being a team thing, not unless you're doing something competitive like flyball.
Unfortunately, the herd mindset ruined team environments; especially at work.
As I maintain, the problems of society stem from school; pigeonholing us into niches and interests.
(I think your thoughts were about sport, but I felt the urge to systemise. This is a comment about "pride" and its opposite "shame".)
Consider different types of pride:
In both is an underlying comparison, or contrast being made: versus other groups, or versus a previous state, and so forth.
"Group Pride": seems about ingroups vs outgroups. I would say these elements are relevant:
They may still feel pride when "our team" loses, but not as much as when it wins. It may be mixed with shame as well.
In the case of "minority pride" it may be more about hard-earned rights, but still a sense of oppressed-oppressor which can be within the category of ingroup / outgroup.
Individual Pride: for doing the right thing, or a sense of achievement. (Versus less virtuous or shameful actions.)
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Pride and shame may also be important in educating children, and how they acquire values (moral and otherwise) e.g. the book "The Emotion Machine" Chapter 1 or 2.
People say there's no I in team, but there is a me if your mix the letters up a bit!
I just don't do groups or teams, I dont' understand them and I always get things wrong and end up upsetting people and being excluded. I think being excluded is supposed to be a punishment, it used to bother me when I was a child, as it was just another thing I didn't understand, but I've not felt bothered by it at all since my teens.
I don't really have a sense of pride or achievement either, if things go well I keep doing them, I they go badly I don't do them again and everything else I just muddle through with. I never felt a sense of achievement when I finished my degree, I was just upset and angry that I could do more the next year, maybe because no one was ever proud of me and as far as I know still isn't, it something I've just learned to live without? It's one of those things other people have/do, like going on foreign holidays or racing cars, or something?
I have more things that I find interesting than I have pride in, like England pretty much writting the sound track for the rennaisance. I love the landscape and the earth and rocks beneath our feet, but the things this country has done, or the things that it's done in my name or the names of my ancestors, no, nothing.
I think pride is a foreign concept to me, whether its individual or national. But no one's answered my question, why should I feel proud?
'Sport is an excellent way to heal', it is? For me its more like rubbing sandpaper over a wound, who does it heal? I just see a load of fit people bullying others to be like them and ganging up on you when you politely say 'No thanks'
There is a great difference between collective pride and personal pride.
Are there any things that you feel a collective pride (or a personal pride) for?
I love my city (Sheffield) but I hate what we have done to the world, our history is appalling.
I couldn't agree more although I am thinking on a large scale - upwards from 'Great' Britain to humanity as a whole and our destruction of civilisations/nature etc etc.
Your words reminded me of the song and video 'What I've Done?' by Linkin Park
In particular the video.
Why not draw a line under that and have a blank sheet of paper from now on? Sport is an excellent way to heal.
our history is appalling.
I was like you useless at sport and the last to be picked for a team.
I couldn't cope with the noise at a football match. However my AuDHD son loves football and supports a local team. I don't understand how he copes with the noise. He does prefer though to avoid the crowds when leaving and for this reason will sometimes leave just before the end. I have had to take notice of news about football because it is the only thing he is interested in and about the only thing I can have a conversation with him about.
I’d relish the opportunity to play team sport again!
It’s been over a decade since I have had the comfort of consistent sporting opportunities. I love playing footy and I’m bloody good at it too.
The team-spirit, the battles, the blood, sweat, tears, injuries, fights, the tussles. Corr it is sumfink else geeza’!
No one has to like anything but at least give it a try! Team sports are a good way for letting off steam, an opportunity for getting behind a concept [like country or nation] - or simply enjoying the expertise of players. Whether you attend high end matches or a city game, it's an amazing experience. Being in a crowd enjoying the same thing is uplifting - you lose sight of yourself as an individual with petty day to day worries. There is so much that divides us but team sport is one way of cultivating the capability of humans to join for one purpose - to applaud the skills sports-people hone through many hours of practice with team mates, putting self and differences aside for the sake of the team.
Being proud you managed to do some self care for yourself and your dog
It's like people running around where they live, running is considered a sport so they are doing a sport on their own, so I shouldn't see why it should differ for dog walking. Plus I've seen meet ups for group dog walks so that's where the team part comes in
Can you explain to me how walking the dog is a sport,let alone why I should be proud it? Doesn't sport have teams, even individual events are part of teams. There's no competitive element to walking a dog, if you had teams of dogs wanting to win, then you'd just have a massive dog fight and loads of people getting hurt.
I'm dyspraxic too, so sport was always a specal kind of torture for me, even my friends didn't want me in their teams.
When I see football supporters or any sports supporters, I see an excited mob that can turn on a hair into violence, maybe these skills did develop from war skills, but thats no reason to keep doing them.
I am vocal about my dislike of sport, but only if people engage me in discussions about it. I just don't get the need for all that tribalism and competitiveness. It's confusing and frightening for those of us who don't understand.
I’ve never liked sport of any description, it just doesn’t hold any interest for me. I wonder if NT people enjoy the ‘pack’ mentality more, the wanting to belong to the herd, wanting to be part of a team. I’m not criticising, I just don’t feel or I suppose understand the need.
I was put off sport as a child, especially team sports. Dyspraxic children weren’t rubbish at sports, they were trying their very best, I was made to feel very low, my poor coordination was treated like I was mentally less. The worst bullies were normally rewarded with being made team captains. Watching the same people being cheered on for excelling in team sports has not given me pride in watching sports.
I don’t have any national pride at all, sport or otherwise. I love my city (Sheffield) but I hate what we have done to the world, our history is appalling.
