Angels

There are estimated to be around 1 million descendants of King Edward I around today. Edward was a member of the Plantagenet dynasty, who were descended from the Counts of Anjou. According to legend, the Angevin house was descended from a strange woman that an early count married. On forced to remain in church for the elevation of the host, she took her younger children in her arms and ascended through a window into the sky. She was supposed to have been the lamia, or demoness, Melusine, daughter of Satan. It was later used as an excuse for bad temper and behaviour, not least by Richard the Lionheart.

If you believe in this, then there are a million descendants of Satan walking around. A bit like believing everywhere is teeming with unseen angels.

I did some research and, allegedly, I am a descendant of the Grail Kings, and ultimately from Morgause, the sister of King Arthur. There is a lot of bizarre stuff about.

Martin said:

If you believe in this, then there are a million descendants of Satan walking around. A bit like believing everywhere is teeming with unseen angels.

People can be open to believing anything, even semi-angelic agents of darkness.

I think a lot of the beliefs people have can come from images in art and popular culture. If you ask a group of Christians what sort of fruit Adam and Eve ate in the Garden of Eden, many will say “Apple”, yet the Hebrew text and English translations don’t specify the type. Traditionally art has depicted an apple tree in the Garden of Eden. 

I feel like I've missed a bit here? Did someone post something that was later removed?

Iain said:

brothers and sisters to make babies

The answer will be that it wasn't a sin until later, when it became avoidable. They got a sort of get-out-of-jail-free-for-incest card for the first few generations.

I'm just making this up, but will I be wrong? ...

DaughteroftheKing said:

I believe we came from 2 people. It does add up. Their genetics were not suffering mutations like ours, they were pure.

It is not the genetics I was making this point about, but rather the fact that it would have required brothers and sisters to make babies together for the whole procreation thing to work.

Iain said:

Look at the creation story - are we to believe that we are descended from 2 people in the garden of Eden? How did their offspring have offspring without in-breeding. How did the other races come about? The facts don't add up.

I believe we came from 2 people. It does add up. Their genetics were not suffering mutations like ours, they were pure. But I'm not smart enough to put it in words. If you are brave enough, here's all the scientific info you could ever want - especially listen to foundations restored and they have a youtube channel, with the talks about genetics - check out Pam Acker

Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation – A Catholic apostolate dedicated to proclaiming the truth about the origins of man & the universe

Iain said:

Isn't the entire old testament all myths and stories though?

No! If you had read my earlier reply to you, you would see that the entire Old Testament is not all myths and stories. (See Assyrian Campaign at Lachish 701BCE). It is primarily a work of theological concern, rather than historical facts.

However, it is a myth that Eve was Adam’s third wife in the Old Testament.

The New Testament doesn't say much about Jesus' growing up years, other than he would go out and speak to his elders to teach them some spiritual truths about a new spiritual law. He went out once and his parents went out looking for him as he was keen on his special mission in life as the Son of God. These pictures may help based on the Bible story and real life event.

ArchaeC said:

“Tree of Souls: The Mythology of Judaism” by Howard Schwartz contains exactly what the title suggests, a collection of myths

Isn't the entire old testament all myths and stories though? Almost everything I have looked at is a story from a translation from an earlier text that was a compilation of older works from an oral tradition etc.

This trickle down effect of old stories means it is incredibly hard to give any credence to the truth in them.

Establishing the facts around the old testament is like nailing jelly to the wall.

Look at the creation story - are we to believe that we are descended from 2 people in the garden of Eden? How did their offspring have offspring without in-breeding. How did the other races come about? The facts don't add up.

But I guess it isn't supposed to be factual but a story - a way to make you think there are fantastic creatures struggling for our souls and only the church can save you, so get some money in the collection plate quick matey and indoctrinate your kids into the church or they will suffer eternally if you don't.

I guess I like to see all the holes in the absurdity of it all - a part time special interest.

TheCatWoman said:

More interesting to me, are Jesus's missing years. Did he just grow up an normal person, following his father Joseph and learning carpentry, seemingly unaware of his spiritual calling until he was 30, when he bursts into the world? Did he travel with his uncle Joseph of Aramathea to Britain and India on trading journeys? Maybe a mix of both?

Yes, the account of his missing years didn’t seem to be important to the writers of the Gospels. There is just that one short account of him when he was 12 years old in Luke, when his parents couldn’t find him because he was “sitting among the teachers and listening to them and asking questions. Lk2:41-52. I wonder was this account important enough to be inserted because it shows he is fully human, in that he needs to learn from others.

The birth narrative is in only two of the four gospels, some biblical theologians think it was a later addition in order to make the account of Jesus’s life complete. The Gospel of Mark is widely considered to be the earliest Gospel, 70CE, and it doesn’t have anything of Jesus until he is an adult. 

Who knows indeed what Jesus did during those missing years. Archaeologists and historians  believe he might have known a significant town called Sepphoris which is near Nazareth. Building would have been going on constantly there during his life, so Joseph’s carpentry/building skills are likely to have been put to good use there, and perhaps Jesus followed him for a while. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepphoris

TheCatWoman said:

More interesting to me, are Jesus's missing years. Did he just grow up an normal person, following his father Joseph and learning carpentry, seemingly unaware of his spiritual calling until he was 30, when he bursts into the world? Did he travel with his uncle Joseph of Aramathea to Britain and India on trading journeys? Maybe a mix of both?

Yes, the account of his missing years didn’t seem to be important to the writers of the Gospels. There is just that one short account of him when he was 12 years old in Luke, when his parents couldn’t find him because he was “sitting among the teachers and listening to them and asking questions. Lk2:41-52. I wonder was this account important enough to be inserted because it shows he is fully human, in that he needs to learn from others.

The birth narrative is in only two of the four gospels, some biblical theologians think it was a later addition in order to make the account of Jesus’s life complete. The Gospel of Mark is widely considered to be the earliest Gospel, 70CE, and it doesn’t have anything of Jesus until he is an adult. 

Who knows indeed what Jesus did during those missing years. Archaeologists and historians  believe he might have known a significant town called Sepphoris which is near Nazareth. Building would have been going on constantly there during his life, so Joseph’s carpentry/building skills are likely to have been put to good use there, and perhaps Jesus followed him for a while. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepphoris