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I Sperg said:

I tried being clear that I was just passing on an interesting story and not offering medical advice, but that wasn;t enough.

I personally preferred the days of mod warnings and very rarely threads locked.

These are the days of deletion and over writing along with ten million faults.

I Sperg said:

the tread I was responding to in tha case of my cat pictures thread becomes unavailable.

That's a known forum fault.

I tried being clear that I was just passing on an interesting story and not offering medical advice, but that wasn;t enough. 

I seem to be on some sort of super censorship where my replies don't appear AND the tread I was responding to in tha case of my cat pictures thread becomes unavailable.

Lotus said:

we're all different and some people who use the site may be feeling vulnerable and confused and looking for support

Well, I certainly fall into this category at the moment.  I am indifferent to some rules, but I will happily obey almost any "rule" if it is applied and enforced evenly and fairly to all.  Perhaps some "partisan" application of some rules have crept into this place........and some members have noticed, and are simply highlighting this phenomenon (perhaps because of woefully inadequate communication from "the powers that be" here, especially given the undoubted and widespread tech problems being reported on the forum at the moment?)

I sincerely believe that no one, from any angle, is deliberately trying to derail this forum platform......but all folks are simply trying to voice their concerns about the current woeful performance of it.........because they care about the rights of ALL autistic people too....and they want to defend "safe and fair spaces" for all of our tribe?

I think it is OFTEN (and perhaps wilfully) forgotten that the challenges of autistic people come in all shades, shapes and sizes.  Whilst it is easy and "non-contentious" to yell support for people who can't understand/perceive irony and duplicity ...... what about the poor autistic people who have a HEIGHTENED perception of these things being present [irrespective of whether they can truly 'understand' such matters or not?]  Are this latter group consigned to "be silent" here, just because others cannot / do not have the capacity to hear and see such matters?

Again - Lotus - please be assured that these comments are not "aimed" at you, nor any other individuals - these are merely my words prompted by your post - and my wider experience of this place - both past and present.

To everyone that Peter's post has confused or offended: just to be clear, the OP is humour and relates to a song about a made up drug. It isn't medical advice, and it is tagged as humour. I think that the reference to the moderation & AI systems of this site was due to the fact that the system has been so over sensitive since the upgrade, and in many cases has quarantined posts with no offensive content at all, leading us to wonder exactly what the parameters are for checking content.

Peter - I like to see a variety of posts here, including humour, and I saw that this one was tagged as such and personally found it amusing. However if I was you I would have written a sentence at the end to make things absolutely clear such as "Disclaimer: this is humour and is not medical advice". Whilst I got the joke, we're all different and some people who use the site may be feeling vulnerable and confused and looking for support, or just not have the same sense of humour.

I appreciate your thoughts Number, which you say are not aimed at me. As you have replied to me, I can take it no other way than you are telling me that you have a different view on the matter - that is fine by me as we both like to dialogue. I have no issue over difference of opinion, but I do have an issue over deliberate provocation of the intended target at the expense of autistic people, followed by responses with further meanness of spirit.

I like rules and regulations as I feel safe and know where I stand. I like rules so much that this autistic trait is recorded on my autism medical report.

For people who have issues with the forum, of course this should be a safe place to discuss what they think could be improved. People could also contact NAS directly with their concerns as they would be entitled to a response.

Peter said:

sigh the link provides important context for the joke.

I will try and make my explanation more simple for you. I don’t want to click on the link. That is my decision to make. I love rules and regulations because I know where I am with them. I don’t care whether your link is a joke or not. To repeat my point to you in different words (unlike you, I won’t sigh because that would be disrespectful), moderators and people with autism should not be discredited. If you have an issue with the forum, contact the NAS directly and don’t abuse the rules.

sigh the link provides important context for the joke. It's the song the joke is based on. The entire bit is an in joke for people who know the song. And so what if it is antogonistic. If so it's towards the rule makers not you. Charities are not and should not be abouve critacisem.

The benefactors do wish to know that their contributions are being used to deliver a safe and inclusive space, for all autists, here on the forum? 

If the forum functionality is "shot" at the moment, without explanation or notification from those that run it here, then citizen science (which many of us here are stuck with) seems inevitable?

We would all prefer just to be allowed to "be" here, without fear or favour.  I know of no one who is actively trying to cause trouble here.......but I see MANY who are raising their concerns in the ways that they have at their disposal.

We all communicate in different ways.

With respect and friendship to you ArchaeC.....my words above are not "aimed" at you, nor any other individuals nor philosophies....these are merely my words prompted by your post.

No I haven’t. I don’t want to read your link - but I read to the end of your post which explicitly states your reason for posting.

Peter said:

[now lets see if our moderators and their AIs are capable of understanding irony and context]

It is antagonistic to use this forum to test the moderators and autistic users. The forum is a service provided by a charity and it is thanks to the kindness and thoughtfulness of benefactors that we have this space. 

Peter said:

I've litterally applied the humour tag to the post

I, for one, didn't see that until you just flagged it. Nor might many others notice, or even know where to look for, it.

Peter said:

and put a line about it being irony at the end. If people can't figgure out it's sarcastic from that that's not autism that's inatentivness.

That's both ableist, and disrespectful to those whose communication difficulties are greater than yours.

Whether we have comorbid ADHD or not, it can also be common for autistic people to experience difficulties with inattentiveness. I am among them, for example. 

Peter said:

in which case more shame on them.

Quite the opposite, in my opinion.

Bunny said:

Your own enjoyment might come at a much greater expense than you realise (in respect of confusion caused), to more people than you realise. 

I've litterally applied the humour tag to the post and put a line about it being irony at the end. If people can't figgure out it's sarcastic from that that's not autism that's inatentivness.

Maybe the confused people are also the people in the habit of not readding things to the end ... in which case more shame on them.

Fibonacci Squid said:

I read your previous post before it was edited, and if you were trying to be sarcastic in that I couldn't tell despite having subject knowledge. 

I haven't edited my opening post? What are you refering to?

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I agree with others in feeling that it's not appropriate to post spoof threads here, of all places.

Your own enjoyment might come at a much greater expense than you realise (in respect of confusion caused), to more people than you realise. 

"Avoid using irony, sarcasm, figurative language, rhetorical questions, idioms or exaggeration as autistic people can take these literally. If you do use these, explain what you have said and be clear about what you really mean to say."

NAS - Communication tips

I feel it should be obvious why a community dedicated specifically to autism wants things to be clear whether they are serious, or sarcastic.

If not allow me to explain. Detecting sarcasm, especially if you don't have much knowledge of the subject matter, is hard enough in person, let alone over text, and particularly for autistic people. To you these things may be obvious, but that doesn't necessarily follow for the whole community.

I read your previous post before it was edited, and if you were trying to be sarcastic in that I couldn't tell despite having subject knowledge. 

I can see why it was considered outside of the rules and was taken down. If you were being serious, there are other platforms that don't have these rules to talk about it on.

Even with this post, I've seen people post similar things on other platforms, and it really wasn't that different from the extremes you are going to here, and they were serious. Some people genuinely believe in 'all cures', or at least make a good enough pretence to try and sell them. That's why I'm not on those platforms any more.

I understand why you're irritated with having your post edited, and I doubt this post is going to improve how you feel about it. But I wanted the moderators to know I agreed with their decision and wanted you to at least see this point of view, as someone who does have difficulty telling when a post is serious vs not.

Are the GM bison North American bison, or the good old European wisent? I'm boycotting American produce at present, because of Trumpery. 

have you clicked the link?

Well, I think it's brilliantly ironic and it made me chuckle.

I was reminded of an old song by Big Audio Dynamite called "medicine show" - here's some extracts from the lyrics:

.....Immunity from ridicule, Improves your brains if you're a fool....

.....If you're bald it'll give you hair, If you've got straight trousers it'll give you flares...

.....The stuff we sell is just the best, passing all consumer tests....

.....When all around you seems like hell, just one sip will make you well....

.....Multi purpose in a jar, if you ain't ill it'll fix your car....

.... Nowadays it's used medicinally, for all known human malady!

Not the most benevolent post.