Nuclear power

Starmer has announced plans for new nuclear power stations dotted about England and Wales, they will be the new small scale ones, rather than the monsters we've been used too. I still don't want them, I don't see nuclear as a clean energy solution, nuclear waste is by definition dirty and you can't make clean with dirty. The waste will still have to be stored somewhere and will still be dangerous for tens of thousands of years, longer than humans have been out of Africa. It's said that it will power the new industries of the future, such as AI, is this a future we want? We will have less opportunities to object to them too, as this sort of development will be green lighted despite any local opposition.

How do you feel about a new nuclear power station on your doorstep?

  • Didn’t know this forum was quite so unforgiving, wish I hadn’t bothered

    I apologise if I was harsh - I do defend my opinions quite strongly but always try to make clear the facts behind the arguements.

    I will step back from the keyboard for a bit and would like to apologise for any distress this caused.

  • Yes I think the safety checks and security of AI systems haven’t been thought through. I know it takes a massive amount of energy to run though.

  • Great idea if it worked, but it wouldn’t as energy from solar panels can’t be stored easily and we don’t have enough light.

  • Nuclear power, it’s way too much for us to handle safely.

    Coal power is 10 times more deadly than nuclear based on safety stats at the plants, and this is heavily skewed by the one big event at Chernobyl.

    Have a look at http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/marshall2/ for more detail.

    A 2007 study of energy production in Europe assessed accident related risks of several different sources of energy production. The results showed that nuclear energy production averages 0.012 deaths due to accidents per TWh of energy produced. In contrast, coal production averages 0.12 deaths due to accidents per TWh. Indeed, nuclear energy also had a lower number of accident related deaths than all other forms of energy production studied (Oil, Gas, and Lignite).

    This graph shows how safe it is compared to all other forms of energy production:

  • We really shouldn’t play with things we have no real idea about,

    But we do have a real idea about it.

    It has been researced in detail for over 80 years, countless nuclear rectors have been built and many still operate and the safety record is far better than coal fired fuel for a start.

    I would recommend doing some research into the facts.

    Logically I don’t see the issue with 10s of thousands of solar panels and wind turbines.

    How about cloudy days with no wind. The country would shut down, cars couldn't drive, heating wouldn't work for many, companies couldn't operate and people couldn't charge their phones.

    That's how logic is applied properly.

  • Are you talking about AI or nuclear power?  We have a pretty firm grasp of the factors at play with nuclear power.....but very little clue about what factors will come into play with AI?

  • It is tricky with me.......I know that......I'm obscure and confusing to most souls.

    All I was trying to say was that I believe that some people are wholly "anchored" in one place....and have been for endless generations.  Generally, I find these type of people incredibly reasonable.......whether they be Iraqi, Mayan, Irish, German, etc......they seem to be grounded and straightforward......and I like that.

    I was TRYING (yes- almost certainly very badly) to pay you a compliment!!

    I was trying to tell you that I now understand why I perceive you as "grounded and straightforward"........and I like that!  You are simply "Southern English."

    Unlike most humans these days, I don't care whether I agree with people on everything, or even on most things......I just like them to be grounded and straightforward and without any evangelical drive which wishes to change me.

  • I think we might have got crossed wires here Number, it sounded like you were having some kind of pop at me, but it would appear from your response that you weren't. and wanted to open dialogue, that would be good?

  • I guess not then.  I'll leave you be.

  • WTF are you on about?

  • Makes me wonder if my people have been knocking around here for a very long time?

    No sh*t sister!  Now we have perhaps have found an appropriate wavelength for communication?

  • Actually I was quite surprised when I had my ancestry DNA done that I'm almost entirely southern English, no Scandinavian or Irish for that matter at all. Makes me wonder if my people have been knocking around here for a very long time? Maybe as the tests get better, I'll have it done again and see if they can go deeper? It would seem that I come from a long line of fierce and independent women, my gran could get with a plate from the other side of the street and my nans auntie who lived to be 99, was one of the "surplus women" after WW1, where she lost her husband at Gallipolli, raised my nan and her brother after thier mum died, informally adopted another baby from neighbours, and was self employed as a seemstress and dressmaker, all at a time when a woman had to have a mans signature to do things like have a back account, sign any legal document and all sorts of things like that. SHe lived long enough to see my children, her 4th generation decendants.

    Are you having to be careful and not eat to much, my belly thinks my throats been cut and seems to stick to my spine after a tummy bug, I have to pace myself with one slice of toast and marmite at a time and not a loaf of bread toasted with marmite, lol.

  • on the mend - thanks for asking. Had my first meal in 3 days so all is looking up.

    It does sound like there is Nordic ancestry in you with your height, fierce independence and affinity to the cold.

  • Yeah maybe I do, or something, I seem to be a cold adapted Nothern European, if we get high pressure in winter and its cold and snowy, especially with snow, I have more enegery than I know what to do with and sometimes have to run up and down stairs just to burn it off.

    How's your tummy?

  • Sounds like you may have some polar bear DNA in you LOL

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