Patience on Channel 4

Sadly the review is still on their website. Ironically it is proof we need dramas like Patience to educate people.

I think you might be right, Phased, a quart in a pint pot will always be an issue when trying to explain in a drama, the persective of once character.

I've met so many men like Detective Bea's sidekick and her boss too, typical NT's in thier superior attitudes towards anyone a bit different. They make perfect foils for Bea and Patience, I hope people concentrate on thier interactions with Patience as much as they Patience's with everyone else. By watching the two guys one can see how much non verbal stuff is going on and all the micro-aggressions, assumptions and suspicions ND's face.

The Guardian article seems to have been pulled. Perhaps they realised how silly her comments were.

Hi @Martyn et al :-)  As others have pointed out the support scene is potentially unsettling.  Nonetheless I am of the opinion that it is a presentation of several aspects of autism both in behaviours and experiences.   Perhaps that is why it is unsettling as it does resonate with autistic life.  Sometimes things need to be stirred up a bit to get things to happen.  Gratifyingly the group is able to support one another both individually and collectively.  At the risk of being clunky myself - it reflects this forum :-)

I think the series is a good effort and I would give it 7/10 :-) with plenty signs such representations of autism are improving and can continue in that direction.

As Hergé  highlights the view is very narrow - yes - Patience is an archetype in several senses of the word and , at the risk of being too clever about it, she is a presented as a source of wisdom conventionally and perhaps realistically unavailable to the neurotypical perspective. 

As I analyse it, in the original Franco/Belgian program it took three series for the characters and plot to develop to roughly where the new series leaves it.   This gave more time for the viewer and the characters to develop insight and change perspective.  Also more time for some great sometimes whacky detecting and thought provoking stories :-)  This perhaps picks up on what Expecto_Patronum expresses about it being clunky and jumping forward too quickly.

At the risk of being stereotypical about it, the new is nowhere near as sexy as the original one - hehe maybe the difference between being set in York instead of Paris!

Also the way Patience is presented as being different in the UK version is in some ways more realistic and subtle - I reckon this has its pros and cons too.

Overall I think that Channel 4 and the production team are to be applauded for the series however they have perhaps tried to "put a quart in a pint pot"

I'm watching it now on catch up. The support group scene was a bit unsettling for me.

The overall perception or view is very narrow, a gifted but different and often misunderstood young woman navigating the often difficult situation she is presented with.

The performances are good and I get a sense of the growing empathy and understanding from the detective, particularly in the light of her acceptance of her son's pending diagnosis. (Spoiler alert).

I've got one more episode to go. Overall I'm enjoying the drama and better representation.

Okay, I will admit the very last scene in the third episode of Patience made my eyes wet.

I have actually taken to wearing headphones or loops since my diagnosis. The effect was a revelation to me. I wish I’d known years ago.

Which New Tricks character was autistic?

I'm half way through watching it. I have no knowledge of the French one so I cannot compare. I do like it although I do find it a little bit clunky and sometimes it jumps forward a bit fast for me.

As far as autism protrayal goes, I do think it's pretty good. Patience externalises her symptoms far more than I do but I liked how they showed the internal monologue I would struggle with at times such as with the phone call. I also like how it shows that something can seem so clear to an autistic person but they may have totally misunderstood. I do think it falls into the trap a little bit of her being this super human that can solve things so easily. I know that some autistic people are very good at solving puzzles but it's maybe showed a little too easily for my liking so that other autistic  people can relate to the character. I also like that they show that meltdowns are not always explosive and aggressive. 

I like the protrayal of her relationship with the detective and that the detective sees the skills first not the autism like all the others are. I like how the detective deals with any issues, she doesn't make it Patience's fault. She lets Patience explain and acknowledges her own contribution to the situation and apologises rather than blaming Patience. I also like Patience's relationship and understanding of the son. 

I found some parts a bit odd like when the guy helps out by getting his gf to hack a system. But literally states that he will keep it to himself because he's autistic and a rule follower. I disliked this for 2 reasons - 1. Because he's clearly demonstrated he can and will break rules and that Patience has as well. And 2. I don't like such a sweeping statement that autistic means rule follower. There's plenty of autistic people that can and do break rules.

I will certainly watch the rest of the series though. And I'm very glad autism in females is getting some more recognition and being portrayed.

I felt the same. Strangely, I can deal with Zoom groups but looking at a circle of poeple like that is really stressful for me. It's also a shame they gave to have the Autistic person wearing headphones. Some of us never have.Otherwise, so much better than any other representation. Only other one I liked was the guy in New Tricks. 

I enjoyed it. We watched the first two episodes, which was one complete story.

I think some of the dialog is 'clunky', but it is hard to get across some concepts to a neurotypical audience quickly.

We will definitely watch the rest of the series.

It was the doing something to himself scene.

I didn't feel drained by the support group scene, but recognoised.

For me it depends on the film with fight scenes, most of them I'm Ok with and will sit there and say 'yeah right', at the telly. But anything with animals in I can't watch, I had a melt down over warhorse and was traumatised for days after it.

I'm also like that with 'fights on roof tops' scenes. Although deep down I know what happens  is just part of a fictional story,at a more immediate level my mind reacts as though it's all too real.

You are none of those things, these dramas can get very tense, It’s most probably harder for autistic people to watch as we are often watching it through a mirror’. We most probably see her struggles more.

I watched the first 2 episodes last night on catch up. I thought the support group scene was excellent in that it highlighted the autistic perspective of how employment affects us.

I did feel drained but I suspect it was more to do with other events in my life that day.

I agree it was a slow starter but at least it is lifting the lid on autism to some degree. What is portrayed is fiction  and it will not match everyone's experience of autism but at least it showed  the negative ways in which work colleagues ignorance of her.

I’ve watched the first two episodes, really enjoyed it but found it quite draining. They have got so much of it right.

I think Bea is starting to wonder wether autism maybe nearer to home than she thought. I fully understand her sons  revulsion at finding a gherkin in his McDonald’s! 
I love the characters bluntness, or as I call it, telling the truth.

I think I'm pathetic/stupid/odd/weird. I got as far as what was going to be a very dramatic scene, within minutes of the the 1st episode starting,and became very anxious. Too anxious to continue watching.

Also, the scene with the support group was lifted almost word for word from the original. That scene never made sense to me. The idea of sitting talking with several people like that, likely strangers, sounds like autistic hell to me.

I’ve just finished watching it.

I really wanted to like it but, while Patience is a little more realistic than Astrid as an autistic character, it all felt very dreary compared to the original. Astrid was adorable but Patience is harder to empathise with. That may in part be because she got a surprisingly small share of the airtime. I’m sure Astrid was in most scenes.

I’ll keep watching. It may pick up in subsequent episodes once Bea & Patience’s relationship is established.

I often got wet eyed watching Astrid et Raphaelle so I had high hopes for Patience.

I just watched episode 1 on catch up. I had such a strong emotional reaction to the autistic adults support group scene that I feel drained. Maybe I'll post more when I've recovered.