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Women and gay men

Theendingofhismiddleliving

Hello,

I hope I am not too awkward. I could discuss things in my past, but that would be very complicated. I am more inclined to talk about something very recent. 

People in other forums have found me offensive, and it is hard for me to understand why. This terrifies me, since I am afraid of doing the wrong thing. If people start to attack me, I will disappear. 

I have been taking ketamine infusions in a psychiatric clinic on a regular basis. During this experience, things "come up," which seems to mean that normally repressed material becomes conscious. In a few recent infusions, I've noticed that I seem to be bothered by some scorn and really intense hatred that I have received from women in my life. (My mother being a dramatic exception.) Men hate me too, but women's hatred seems to be especially emotional and out of control. One thing that is especially jarring about this is that I am a gay man, and stereotypically I should get along with women really well. It is disturbing, and actually rather frightening, how women actually treat me. I haven't got much feedback as to why I am so offensive, but some people -- men actually -- have observed that I am "too nerdy" or "too nervous." 

Given that I'm gay, you might wonder why I would care if women hate me or not. But it is disconcerting to be attacked by anyone, and my ketamine experiences seem to indicate that this is a genuine issue for me. So I asked my psychotherapist why this should be the case. He informed me that women hate gay men, because they see them as not being real men. This made no sense to me, since women are actually supposed to get along with gay men really well. I even showed my therapist an article about how scientists find this fact so striking that they are trying to study it: https://theconversation.com/the-science-behind-why-so-many-women-want-to-befriend-gay-men-51965

After he read this, denied that he had ever said that women hated gay men. To the best of my recollection, he then said the following:

"I did not say that women hate gay men. I said that hysterical women hate gay men. Neurosis takes two forms: hysteria and obsessiveness. Most neurotic women are hysterical. Most neurotic men are obsessive. The hysterical woman feels that she needs a phallus. A phallus is not a penis. The phallus has absolutely nothing to do with the penis. Mistaking the phallus for the penis is a terrible mistake, it is completely wrong. The phallus is Nietzsche's will to power. The phallus is completion. Hysterical women desperately need a phallus. They hate gay men, because they see them as dickless men."

I feel bad about this "explanation." I don't feel that it answers my original question as to why I make women so angry. The real question is why gay men typically have experiences with women that are completely opposite to mine. I don't feel that my therapist has explained this. I can tell myself that hysterical women hate me, but then I still don't understand why so many women hate me because I don't understand why I keep crossing paths with hysterical women. Furthermore, how do hysterical women even know that I am gay? I don't broadcast it. 

Before hearing my therapist's "explanation," I was a bit more inclined to think that women are sensitive to certain social cues that men are less sensitive to. I was also thinking that I very bad with those cues, thus sending women the wrong signal. But I can't be more specific than that, because I really don't understand it. 

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  • Ditch this twisted Freudian fossil narcissist:  "Hysteria"?, Really?, In 2023?

    He's not playing with a full desk, judging by your quotes.

    Perhaps, try a female therapist (who has read a book published after 1940) to work through this problem. She will have first hand experience of being female and can help you plumb the depths of whatever this blockage is so you can regain your balance and broaden your social horizons.

    I was born female and while growing up was drawn to the gay boys all the time. I still am. We were the ones at recess, circling the perimeter fence around the 1950's playgrounds, alone, bewildered, waiting for the mother-ship to come fetch us home, as obviously, we were of another planet/reality not the one we found ourselves on.

    You may have not had that joy and were more isolated. We cant give you adequate therapy here on the forum, but we can say a new therapist could. Think how you came to be in the care of the antediluvian therapist you've got now and avoid that way of choosing one in the future.

    I, for my part, edging towards my 70's, have a broader range of friends now, now that I've lost the self doubt and shame of a false, stigmatic, soul-crushing, previous diagnosis - one often having been given to females with autism in the past -, and I've learned to stand within my authenticity with more comfort and confidence.

    I wish this for you as well.

    I am very eager to hear your progress towards self confidence and wholeness! We are all on the forum rooting for you, I'm sure.

  • in reply to Uhane

    for the note.... hysteria doesnt mean anything to do with women at all, its a perfectly valid word that isnt sexist and isnt a bad word directed at women. if thats what people are thinking it means here they are mistaken and need to look up the word and understand all the contexts it can be used in.

    a religious person screaming about the end of the world can be described as hysterical for example....

    a person screaming at this guy randomly and accusing him of criminal acts and drawing mass attention to it can validly be called hysterical whether it was male or female who did that it doesnt matter. the word still applies and is valid.

  • in reply to Caelus
    Caelus said:
    hysteria doesnt mean anything to do with women at all, its a perfectly valid word that isnt sexist and isnt a bad word directed at women

    X for doubt. I find that impossible to take seriously when you must have no idea how women were uniquely medically oppressed either historically as this was literally the first result I found on search engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteria you only have to look as far as the second sentence to see it mention women.

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