I don't want to embarrass the perpetrators of the posts by name, there have been more than one, but at times their appear troll like posts on these forums.
Perhaps it is inadvertant, but asking for advice and then showing little respect for the replies that are made in good faith, name calling using unacceptable language, putting across a belief that one has and then insisting this belief is irrefutable despite what others have said and with no evidence, or criticising others for valid views seems to me the sort of thing a troll would do.
I don't know whether it is a 'road from Damascus' moment (the 'from' is deliberate as it seems to be that the eyes have been closed and not opened) but there has also been what appears to be a personality change at times. We are autistic, but this does not mean we cannot work things out and with proper respect views can be contrary to those of others. And sometimes there are members here with particular knowledge which is useful to others. But posting information to further a theory of doubtful basis is not what I believe this forum is for, and one should expect others to put the alternative view.
I know I wind people up at times, hopefully not too many times on this forum. But I do try to think about what I am saying, give information in good faith, accept other peoples contributions with good humour, and not spout rubbish.
But there does seem at times to be people here with nothing to add to a conversation but spout nonsense.
First of all, I would love to know how you could embarrass somebody, but I know that’s besides the point.
I think I am understanding you correctly, but please correct me if I’m wrong.
You sound as if you are feeling hurt and maybe a little angry by something that somebody else has said, and that you would like the said person, to stop saying those things?
It appears that you have also come to the conclusion, that from your understanding, with all the knowledge and awareness you have, and from how you have interpreted what this person has said, that they’re a troll and you would like them to stop being a troll?
For my part, I would like to think there’s some awareness on this site of how blunt us autistics can be, and how we like to therefore receive information in a similar fashion. And with that in mind, I ask you to tell me if you’re talking about me, because I wouldn’t have a clue otherwise.
Just about nobody, understands me. I live in a dimension that people like Einstein lived in. Who the hell is going to understand me? I know that. I accept that. However, that does not mean that I must never talk for fear of people misunderstanding me. Because let’s face it, if anyone has ever read a post of mine, I’m sure you’d agree, that the chances of meeting people who don’t understand me, are far greater than me meeting those who do.
However, I have not met a person yet, who has wanted to undetatand me, who hasn’t, when they didn’t stop until they did. Meaning, we had a conversation.
I don’t expect people to ever understand a single word I say. I literally see the whole universe in a single drop of dew! What are the chances of me bumping into someone else who can understanding that?
So does that mean I should never talk about the beauty that I see in the world? In my world, and although it’s shared by many others, we’re scattered around, people are only ever saying, please and thank you.
But if you don’t know that language, you won’t recognise it when you hear it and instead, you’ll hear something else. You’ll hear whatever you want to hear, you’ll make it mean whatever you want it to mean, according to your life experiences, your understanding of who you are and your ability to really hear, at any given time to what another person might be saying. Always check it out if you’re not sure, I was taught. Hearing another, isn’t a given, it takes work, so I know that misunderstands happen with all of us. We all misunderstand others and each other from time to time and sometimes maybe a lot. Who knows? We’re all different. I guess it’s goes on how many like minded people we hang around with? I don’t know?
And I have no idea what the road to Damascus is. None whatsoever, so, I don’t understood any of that, so maybe I’m missing a crucial part of the plot, and I’ve got the wrong end of the stick altogether?
Hi, hope you’re having a good evening? The thing I’ve noticed lately is a few posts trying to recruit people for research purposes, I thought they had to contact the moderators rather than post directly onto the forums? Not sure that that’s troll like though, more just not playing by the rules. What sort of posts do you mean? I certainly hope that I didn’t appear troll like when I was ‘throwing my toys out of the pram’ the other week regarding my dual diagnosis. I certainly didn’t mean to cause offence, I was just in a really bad head space that day.
And just to add. If people would like me to stop talking, I actually will. And I wouldn’t take it personally and I wouldn’t take offence. Absolutely none at all. If for whatever reason my words were causing anybody to suffer, it would be my privilege to stop. Not because you want me to so if I did it, I would look kind. But because I know I most definitely do not want to be the cause of triggering upset in anybody. I know, even though I’m autistic, that some people can’t cope with me. It’s like I mash their heads up or something. Many, in fact most, rarely have a clue what I’m talking about, but they don’t need to, they like me anyway and have no desire whatsoever to understand what I’m talking about and it doesn’t get in the way of our friendships, and sometimes, one of us will say something that the other understands, such as, shall we go and get a coffee, and that’s the only level of understanding required for us to enjoy the friendship. It’s strange to them. Because they’ve never met anybody like me before, but it’s not strange to me. This is what all my friendships are like, they’re simply based on love, how I was taught it when living on the streets. I was taught the language of love, and that language crosses all barriers.
So knowing how I really can seem to upset some people, to a huge degree, I always value being told to shut up. My best friend and my son, both tell me to shut up when they’re about to talk about somebody. They tell me to shut up before they’ve even spoke, and they add, I don’t want to hear you telling me the situation from the other person’s point of view.
I value their honesty and receive it as a gift. So of course. I don’t always know my limits, so if I’m upsetting people, I will just go and do something else. Which I’m going to try to do anyway. I just thought I’d add that, because it came to my mind lol. But I could be completely off track. I might think people are talking about me, just because I’m autistic and it’s part of the autistic nature to think everybody is talking about me! Lol! We do tend to do fatalistic black and white thinking.
Anyway, I’m off to bed. And in case you’re wondering, I’m not believing any of the stuff that was written, but I will, most gladly, bugger off if that is the best way to bring love, kindness and giving into the situation.
No, you didn't, not how I mean it to mean.
It is posts that hi-jack another post with drivel. Or, with nothing to say, have to go off and say things that are not remotely connected to the initial post just to put over a load of tosh. Posts being made that contribute nothing to the conversation that have no logic, rhyme nor reason, and seem to be only to satisfy the ego of the poster. It is not the off-topic nature of the posts but more the nature of the off topic post.
If the person wanted to start a post of their own spouting their ideas, that would be acceptable. But what happens is another, quite interesting, thread can be hijacked in such a way that the original purpose is lost and the thread then gets bogged down with the off-topic matter.
I should have called the post 'pseudo Trolling' if I had thought of it sooner. Perhaps I should just have started a post for people to spout rubbish, to release other posts from this burden.
It sounds like you feel annoyed maybe, about certain posts not meeting your need for order?
I hear what you’re saying, but have you heard that saying about one man’s rubbish is another man’s gold? Or something like that. What I’m trying to say, is what you might think of as ‘off topic’ or not adding anything to the conversation, might be right on topic, from where they’re sitting and they might think and they might actually be, adding a lot to the conversation. Just not in your eyes.
And as for all that business about hijacking threads, that just makes me feel like I’m in nt land, because I don’t know the etiquettes, if that’s what they’re called. I have no idea when talking on a thread would be considered something I ‘shouldn't’ do, according to these unspoken rules that I don’t know about.
All that kind of business, quite frankly, does shut me up lol! hallaylooya ~ we’ve found something to shut her up
BlueRay said:And I have no idea what the road to Damascus is. None whatsoever, so, I don’t understood any of that, so maybe I’m missing a crucial part of the plot, and I’ve got the wrong end of the stick altogether?
Here's a brief reference, BlueRay. You can follow the links for further explanation:
Road to Damascus/Damascene Conversion
Thanks Tom, I can’t believe it’s a reference to the bible! I’ve just recently finished reading the bible from front to back, for the first time ever, and now I’m going back and reading it slowly, bit by bit. I understand the story about Saul but I still can’t get my head around what the road to Damascus means, in one of those weird parable type ways or how it relates to this thread. Anyway, not to worry, thanks for link
After another, simply delicious and ridiculously gorgeous, hazelnut chocolate spread sandwich. I have decided to come off this forum. At least for a while anyway. If not forever. Although that can’t be said. Because apart from the sun coming up in the morning and the power of love. There’s not much else we can rely on, to happen in the future. So who knows? Maybe this is the very last time I visit this site ♀️
I’m not conjuring up any kind of blame or anything like that. Nothing of the kind. I am simply well aware that some people sometimes get upset by some of the things I say and on a forum like this, there’s no a lot we can do about that.
Apart from, take out of the equation, the person who is seen as the person causing the upset. Which, in this case, is me.
I’m guessing this is true, that it’s me, who is believed to be the cause of some people feeling upset. And I’m guessing this, by the fact that my response to this conversation, remains unanswered.
I have also sensed a type of a bullying type thing going on, for want of a better expression. Like people are trying to prove that what I’m saying is wrong, or something. Not in, as if we’re having a conversation, but as if they’re really trying to prove me wrong. Like they actually believe there is a right and a wrong, in a simple conversation. I think I’m just talking, and people are actually seeming to believe me or something. I don’t know what’s happening but I’m chatting and people seem to want to prove that I’m some kind of liar or something. I’ve no idea what’s going on to be honest. But it doesn’t feel great to me. And that’s enough to tell me to bow out, gracefully, and with love.
If this is what’s happening. I have no place in such conversations. My intention is never to get into a ‘who’s right’ and ‘who’s wrong’ situation. In my understanding of the world, there is no right or wrong, in terms of what we say and do. There is either truth or the lack of the awareness of truth. Or, what we believe.
Anyway, when anything like this is happening, however I respond, I am seen as defending my world view and what I’ve said. And even if it’s not seen like that. That’s how it’s starting to feel like to me. Like I’m defending what I’ve said. And defence, in any situation, is the first act of war. And I’m all about unconditional love and peace. Not war. So I won’t get involved in war. There’s no truth in war.
So I will make my exist, without nothing but love and understanding. Because if my words, hurt, even one person. Then that’s one person too many. And I can’t express myself in any other way, than the way I do, if I’m being myself and I’m being honest. If I’m working with somebody in a work situation or somebody like that. That’s different. But I come here to enjoy friendships and information, identification and validation etc etc etc. And if that’s not happening. It would do nobody any good if I tried to force that. Love doesn’t force itself. Love is.
It’s been really great talking to you, as always, from my point of view. I’ve enjoyed myself and as always, I’ve learned a lot. I’m only just over one year post diagnosis, so I’m still learning new things about myself and I’m enjoying the journey.
This year hasn’t quiet got started for me yet! Lol! For all my talk and intentions! But the meeting today at REED was very encouraging. I was totally blunt, I was in a hyper mode, so of course. What did I do all day? Eat and drink nothing, but cappuccinos! It was all I could do to not go into full on Tourette’s mode in a totally unacceptable way, by anybodies standards, when I was in the reed waiting area. Thank god there was a young lad there, helping to keep me calm. Or at least under control.
The building is not suited to my needs. There are many things ‘not to my needs’, with regards to reed. But somehow at the end of our session. She got me. And she’s moving mountains for me.
By that, I mean she got us a private room, again. And she offered me, without me asking or mentioning it, a referral back to autism plus.
This is the thing about some nt’s. They seem to understand what I need, in order to take the next step. Even when I don’t know what I need. And it’s never what I think I need. Anyway, her plan has to be authorised by her manager, but she’s going to do her best.
I really quite like her. Now I’m getting used to her. She talks to herself. And I haven’t managed to ask her yet if she knows she does it. I’m really starting to like her. I like anybody with a quirk and she keeps the visits short. Just how I like them. She never runs over half an hour, which feels like a nano second to me. Whatever that is! Lol! It’s fair to say though, that the time goes quick and doesn’t drag on past my level of concentration etc.
So hopefully, I’ll be able to come out of, out of this whole, I’m in this whole, Christmas mode thing, preparing to come out of it etc etc and get my ass into gear and start taking the next step. So my focus will be needed elsewhere for a while anyway. So like divine intervention, it’s a good time for me to exit the site as it is for you wanting me to leave because quiet frankly, in some way, shape or form, I appear to be p*****g you off.
Much love to all of you. I’m grateful to all of you. You have all added to my life in some way, as always. I hope you all find the answers you’re looking for or you get whatever it is you want. You deserve it. We all deserve a love filled life, by the very fact that we were born X
Read it and I understand it better now!
As I said I was having a bad day!
I do think there is a tendency on these forums, perhaps unsurprisingly, for people to go off on tangents half way through a post. There’s been a few posts which have started off on one topic but by the end of the thread people are discussing something completely different. I can understand that that might be a bit annoying, especially if you were enjoying the initial conversation topic but at the same time its probably fair to say that most of us on here have a tendency to go off on a tangent from time to time.
There have also been occasions where a post topic that been started, is also a topic that one particular user feels very strongly about so they feel the need to interject and put across their point of view. I guess if someone feels that strongly about a topic then it is understandable, though if they are stating their opinion very strongly it may irritate those who have a different viewpoint.
Im not sure that I’ve correctly interpreted what was bothering you?