Published on 12, July, 2020
If I am going to learn how to manage my autism symptoms, then I've decided that I don't want to be in any neurotypical environment anymore - I find neurotypical environments to be too toxic. Watching my sisters and their friends have children of their own is an extremely sad reminder of my mental condition, and I feel that I am unable to be around my parents anymore let alone continue living with them because of the burden that comes with caring for someone with special needs. I am considering living in a suitable autism-friendly environment where I will be spending all day in sensory gardens as a means of permanent respite; focusing on having access to all types of sensory therapies is for the best. The plan for the near future is to start seeing a professional psychiatrist and start looking at being provided with holistic support from the special needs therapeutic educational charities and therapeutic intervention services that I am looking into at the moment. When I start being provided with a special needs mental health team, they need to treat me like an adult but at the same time be capable of cognitive empathy rather than have unrealistic expectations that I will only end up struggling to meet. I will continue self-injuring and hitting myself in the head in frustration, I will continue physically hurting myself and suffering from severe depression and having thoughts of suicide because of the torture that comes with being on the autism spectrum - I have no choice but to learn to live with these demons. People die by suicide every day. Society needs to stop looking at suicide as something considered taboo.
NAS90559 said:Society needs to stop looking at suicide as something considered taboo.
I certainly agree with this.
Although I think I can agree with the sentiemnt behind what you write I have to down vote you for exactly the same reason I'd down vote anyone who might suggest that we ought to have a general right to own a gun.
The taboo against suicide has a beneficial purpose for as many people who try to commit the act and are saved by a stranger or relative, (who is motivated by, and maybe even employed in the service of that taboo, as it is a barrier to those who genuinely need to "make it stop".
If there were Futurama style "suicicde booths" I'd bet a nice George head 22 carat Gold sovereign, that at least one of the more gifted and helpful posters would have walked into one at some point.
Be careful what you wish (or vote) for!
*Edit* I used the word "Vote" in it's general election sense and not in relation to how people vote here.
How is denying people their right to choose whether to live or die, and discouraging them from even talking about it, a good thing?
Which is worse; death, or a fate worse than death?
Mark said:Quality of life > quantity of life
You can live secure in your life, while you assist in taking the life of others? Is that the "quality of life" you want to be giving to others, for them to have death instead? A permanent change that cannot be undone?
I understand that euthanasia is a highly debated topic, but I tend to err on the side of caution, to give people at least a chance at changing their situation in life, like I've done with mine, rather than think "what if they can't change? If they want to take their own life, so be it. We'll even help them in doing that." If you can live your life knowing that you assisted in ending someone elses, and you don't mind that "blood on your hands," believing you're improving their quality of life somehow by annihilating it, and can live the rest of your life by facing the consequences of that, then hey, that's your life. You will have quantity of life, while they have none.
All we know Mark, is that we can perceive and work with 4 of the (alledged by cleverer men than me) 12 dimensions of reality. That extra 8 dimensions (if the theory is right) leaves another 8 areas of existence that apparenlty are closed off from our perceptions but need to be there. (Apparenlty the maths requires it).
LIfe then looks a bit like my iceberg, being made of the bit we can see and the greater bit that we can't currenlty see. That allows plenty of space of us to exist outside of what we call "life"...
I could easily imagine a scenario where my conciousness has an eternity to reflect upon my all to brief experience of "Life" and I could only imagine how annoyed with myself if I had cut it shorter than it needed to be. Even the horrible bits lose their horror when viewed over and over again from a safe distance.
You are facing so much opposition, not because you ARE wrong, but simply because you MAY be wrong and don't appear to allow for that possibility.
They've got years ahead of them to suffer and weaken too. What if they can't change out of the state that they're in? Their choice of whether to live or die is what should be respected.
Quality of life > quantity of life.
Mark said:And if they have made an informed decision to die, why should the fact that other people don't have enough life experience to make an informed decision stop us respecting their right to choose?
Because they have years ahead of them, to learn and to grow, and to change out of the state that they are in, that is why. Out of respect for them and for their life, which I mentioned how life is rare in the universe, that that life should be respected.
By all means try to help them with their problems and help them make an informed decision whether to die or not. Objecting to them even talking about wanting to die isn't going to help them though. And if they have made an informed decision to die, why should the fact that other people don't have enough life experience to make an informed decision stop us respecting their right to choose?
Well, me in the time of being abused, only knew of abuse. So if I were to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of life, it would have certainly been in the negatives, and continuing life would have equated in my mind to getting more abused, whereas ending it would have ended the pain. But I didn't have enough life experiences to know anything outside of that. I would have been making a permanent decision based on limited life experiences, and in retrospect, that isn't very fair, because I had years ahead of me, yet with my limited understanding of life during that time, I couldn't imagine anything good from that.
I was so abused that I didn't even see it as abuse. It would be cruel to take a brainwashed victim, and give them that right to choose to die, when they've been essentially brainwashed into that pathway to die, by a sadistic person through gaslighting. Mind you, it's not in all cases, and I'm not even sure how extreme my case is, but a brainwashed victim cannot see straight, and would not be making the best decisions for themselves.
Sure, we want to help people end their pain and suffering. Your answer is to let them end their own life, which would have been the same as mine at that point in time, but do I have to end my life, in order for the pain and suffering to go away? I would have thought 100% yes with my limited life experience during that time. But it is not so. I could end my pain and suffering, by leaving the abusive person, in such a way that they don't try to take back their control over me. There are many things I've worked on, many fears and traumas I've faced head on, in order to secure a future for myself. Having said that, just letting someone end their own life, due to a limited reference of their own life, is unfair for that person, even though through all that brainwashing, they might not see it that way, but it is in retrospect.
It doesn't change the fact that if someone has considered all the advantages and disadvantages of dying and still wants to die, they shouldn't be denied the right to choose to die.
Yes sadistic people can take advantage of a vulnerable person, but that doesn't mean people who genuinely want to help people shouldn't help them end their suffering.
Mark said:You could help them with their problems. And then if that doesn't work and they still want to die, you could help them find a safe, painless way of doing it.
Mark said:The problem often isn't temporary. And death is always a permanent solution. No more pain, no illness, no loneliness, no suffering of any kind after that.
Mark said:You don't exist after you die. It's just the same as before you're born. No suffering whatsoever.
But I can see how this kind of thinking can turn corrupt though. You will feel like you are helping people to bring them peace, it sounds nice, no pain, no suffering, and yet, you are helping someone to unalive themselves. No one is going to hear that person's voice ever again, no laughter, no warmth, their thoughts will never be shared again, since they won't be present anymore. Life is rare in the universe, and you are alive, only because billions and trillions of other beings were alive before you, and who knew where it began. Humans have the potential to reshape the world.
Also, you might be one of those people who will go by their word, and will help someone take their life in a safe and painless way, but there were cases of sadistic people who would befriend a vulnerable person, and instruct them on how to end their life in a quick and painless way, only for it to be the opposite, for it to be a slow and torturous way out. So things like this can turn corrupt.
I mean, I used to not want to face pain and suffering, since I came from an abusive household, where unaliving myself would have been a desirable thing to do, since my life was treated like garbage, but now I realized that I was around the wrong people and left them. I've grown enough to be able to face pain and suffering, so that I can be stronger and help those around me. Humans are capable of many things, and capable of turning their life around.
Hullabaloo said: I can't say that I'd enjoy knowing that someone's going to take their own life and hearing their reasons behind it, and then just giving a thumbs up and the green light to do it.
You could help them with their problems. And then if that doesn't work and they still want to die, you could help them find a safe, painless way of doing it.
Hullabaloo said:I find that death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, even though the problem doesn't always seem like it's very temporary.
The problem often isn't temporary. And death is always a permanent solution. No more pain, no illness, no loneliness, no suffering of any kind after that.
Hullabaloo said:I'm not understanding your train of thought in this reply, or how it relates to what was discussed before. You've opened the concept of something, like fate, being worse than death, but now you state that not existing for millions of years before you were born has not done you any harm. I don't see how they are related. Arguably, genetic conditions can do some level of harm and can make life challenging I suppose. But anyways, maybe I'm thinking too much again. I always seem to.
You don't exist after you die. It's just the same as before you're born. No suffering whatsoever.