Locked Threads

JEP said:

Morning

Yesterday a couple of Threads were locked by the Moderators. I wished I had known how to contact them before this happened to ask their advice because I was getting concerned too. The Threads are:

- 'Not Imagining & Visualising'

- 'Environment - What Might Help'

These are Threads which I've been involved in. I receive Notifications by email and something which happened, I took the context of one Thread by a Member and applied this to another Thread, where the Member was posting simultaneously. 

Hey JEP,

I have read a number of your posts, including 'Autistic vs You Think You Are On The Spectrum', and the two you have listed above.

In the 'Not Imagining & Visualising' thread started by Misfit61, you informed her that according to your experience of having A.S.D., in terms of you having the ability to make plans, that she as not being able to do so could not as such be autistic. You were not aware of or would not accept that the ability to engage in activities involving social imagination varies from person to person individually; with some autistic people being less able to at one end of the spectrum, and others being more able at the other end of the spectrum. This holds true for any autistic person across the diagnostic spectrum ~ involving impaired social interaction, impaired social communication and impaired social imagination.

This you refuted, and made the most dismissive and disorienting remarks about Misfit61 as being the complete opposite of A.S.D., that she was reading herself into other peoples descriptions of A.S.D., and when she explained her experience of things, and provided evidence supportive of which, you used this information to further dismiss and disorient her with not being diagnosable with A.S.D.. This was psychological assault in terms of hitting Misfit with displacing allegations of identity, and during the  bewilderment of which, you used ''character assassination'' in terms of defaming Misfit61's good character and credibility; by way of therefore a predatory (strategic) and invasive (overbearing) attitude. The fact you refuted doing so and continued doing so ~ despite being both asked and told not to four times, this was the reason that that particular thread was locked, with the final statement being the infamous; in paraphrase ~ "Antisocial behaviour is not acceptable in this community, whereas as prosocial behaviour is" ~ message. 

In the 'Environment ~ What May Help' thread you started, it is a proper ouch that such a good opener, prosocial to the hilt, went antisocial yet again by way digging the spike in yet again with,

"Do you mind me asking a question Misfit61? Have you got a formal diagnosis of ASD? On your profile you wrote: 'autistic nearest to hf/as'

(which in psychoanalytic terms ~ means: Higher-Functioning Autism (Spectrum Disorder) or Asperger Syndrome, and then in complete ignorance of this you went on to surmise incorrectly,)

'That's not professional terminology at all.'

You chose then to continue on obsessively again to defend your position by denouncing and thereby demeaning anybody that got in the way of your predatory and invasive point. So you got that thread locked also, with the mandatory ~ "Antisocial behaviour is not acceptable in this community, whereas prosocial behaviour is" ~ message.

JEP said:

I don't believe though that I've been rude but have certainly challenged. Whether I was right to do so, I actually do not know at the moment.

Now in terms of learning from our mistakes, going on at very very least the moderator's response in terms of community safety, it would be well worth considering that your dismissive challenges were extremely rude, and as such caused a great deal of egoic offence and psychic wounding. A great deal of effort was made by everybody involved to get the situation on an even keel, but alas the tricky nature of autism was more on the go in respect of the difficulties involved with social interaction (what is or not in sequence), social imagination (what is or not the case) and social communication (what is or not to be expressed).

JEP said:

I had in fact suggested in one Thread that I started that we closed the topic and start a new one. My suggestion was 'Environment'. My intention here was to try and move away from ASD in some ways and think more generally about what suits us. This though ended being locked.

Again I will state that as far as thread-starters go, 'Environment' really did have all the potential to have been a very healthy and fruitful discussion.

JEP said:

If anyone has an opinion, view, would like to advise me then this post is to ensure all Members know that I am happy, open to listening. I can reflect well and if it ends up that I should need to apologise then I will do so.

When I make mistakes, I really do appreciate being informed when I cannot see for looking, as I very much appreciate discussing different perspectives, and thereby also refining my 'modus-operandi' in favour of achieving healthier personal and social developments. So it would seem that you and I are alike to some extent, only my way of relating things may not be compatible with yours. None the less, should you like my support, you already have it.

JEP said:

It's a new Community and however anxious I've been left feeling over these matters, I'd prefer to address and remain a Member. But in the meantime I won't post.

Yay with staying a member JEP, and work the prosocial behaviour too.

DT

JEP said:

Morning

Yesterday a couple of Threads were locked by the Moderators. I wished I had known how to contact them before this happened to ask their advice because I was getting concerned too. The Threads are:

- 'Not Imagining & Visualising'

- 'Environment - What Might Help'

These are Threads which I've been involved in. I receive Notifications by email and something which happened, I took the context of one Thread by a Member and applied this to another Thread, where the Member was posting simultaneously. 

Hey JEP,

I have read a number of your posts, including 'Autistic vs You Think You Are On The Spectrum', and the two you have listed above.

In the 'Not Imagining & Visualising' thread started by Misfit61, you informed her that according to your experience of having A.S.D., in terms of you having the ability to make plans, that she as not being able to do so could not as such be autistic. You were not aware of or would not accept that the ability to engage in activities involving social imagination varies from person to person individually; with some autistic people being less able to at one end of the spectrum, and others being more able at the other end of the spectrum. This holds true for any autistic person across the diagnostic spectrum ~ involving impaired social interaction, impaired social communication and impaired social imagination.

This you refuted, and made the most dismissive and disorienting remarks about Misfit61 as being the complete opposite of A.S.D., that she was reading herself into other peoples descriptions of A.S.D., and when she explained her experience of things, and provided evidence supportive of which, you used this information to further dismiss and disorient her with not being diagnosable with A.S.D.. This was psychological assault in terms of hitting Misfit with displacing allegations of identity, and during the  bewilderment of which, you used ''character assassination'' in terms of defaming Misfit61's good character and credibility; by way of therefore a predatory (strategic) and invasive (overbearing) attitude. The fact you refuted doing so and continued doing so ~ despite being both asked and told not to four times, this was the reason that that particular thread was locked, with the final statement being the infamous; in paraphrase ~ "Antisocial behaviour is not acceptable in this community, whereas as prosocial behaviour is" ~ message. 

In the 'Environment ~ What May Help' thread you started, it is a proper ouch that such a good opener, prosocial to the hilt, went antisocial yet again by way digging the spike in yet again with,

"Do you mind me asking a question Misfit61? Have you got a formal diagnosis of ASD? On your profile you wrote: 'autistic nearest to hf/as'

(which in psychoanalytic terms ~ means: Higher-Functioning Autism (Spectrum Disorder) or Asperger Syndrome, and then in complete ignorance of this you went on to surmise incorrectly,)

'That's not professional terminology at all.'

You chose then to continue on obsessively again to defend your position by denouncing and thereby demeaning anybody that got in the way of your predatory and invasive point. So you got that thread locked also, with the mandatory ~ "Antisocial behaviour is not acceptable in this community, whereas prosocial behaviour is" ~ message.

JEP said:

I don't believe though that I've been rude but have certainly challenged. Whether I was right to do so, I actually do not know at the moment.

Now in terms of learning from our mistakes, going on at very very least the moderator's response in terms of community safety, it would be well worth considering that your dismissive challenges were extremely rude, and as such caused a great deal of egoic offence and psychic wounding. A great deal of effort was made by everybody involved to get the situation on an even keel, but alas the tricky nature of autism was more on the go in respect of the difficulties involved with social interaction (what is or not in sequence), social imagination (what is or not the case) and social communication (what is or not to be expressed).

JEP said:

I had in fact suggested in one Thread that I started that we closed the topic and start a new one. My suggestion was 'Environment'. My intention here was to try and move away from ASD in some ways and think more generally about what suits us. This though ended being locked.

Again I will state that as far as thread-starters go, 'Environment' really did have all the potential to have been a very healthy and fruitful discussion.

JEP said:

If anyone has an opinion, view, would like to advise me then this post is to ensure all Members know that I am happy, open to listening. I can reflect well and if it ends up that I should need to apologise then I will do so.

When I make mistakes, I really do appreciate being informed when I cannot see for looking, as I very much appreciate discussing different perspectives, and thereby also refining my 'modus-operandi' in favour of achieving healthier personal and social developments. So it would seem that you and I are alike to some extent, only my way of relating things may not be compatible with yours. None the less, should you like my support, you already have it.

JEP said:

It's a new Community and however anxious I've been left feeling over these matters, I'd prefer to address and remain a Member. But in the meantime I won't post.

Yay with staying a member JEP, and work the prosocial behaviour too.

DT

Hi DT

Appreciate your thoughts, so firstly thank you for taking the time. 

I don't fully get though where you are coming from and how you got to all of this. There's quite a lot to get my mind around. 

My job is in the art world so it is my strength to visualise, let's say a room. I was not referring to planning ahead and I'm not sure how those things are linked?

However, you are right

Deepthought said:

You were not aware of or would not accept that the ability to engage in activities involving social imagination varies from person to person individually; with some autistic people being less able to at one end of the spectrum, and others being more able at the other end of the spectrum.

I do in fact know this but this did not come across. Just to make you aware I wasn't having a great day. And in retrospect should not have contributed on the Forum I believe. 

There though have also been times on this Forum where I've brought up topics, they receive a lot of views - some of the comments though towards me or the topic have been quite defensive. I've let these go. Or I've reflected and tried to explain myself better. 

You wrote:

Deepthought said:

This was psychological assault in terms of hitting Misfit with displacing allegations of identity, and during the  bewilderment of which, you used ''character assassination'' in terms of defaming Misfit61's good character and credibility; by way of therefore a predatory (strategic) and invasive (overbearing) attitude.

That's quite extreme and I'd question this. 

Regarding my comment to Misfit 

Deepthought said:

"Do you mind me asking a question Misfit61? Have you got a formal diagnosis of ASD? On your profile you wrote: 'autistic nearest to hf/as'

It reads colloquial, layman and non professional. A specialist in ASD would not write this. 

I hadn't once before thought to look up another Member's profile but for some reason something wasn't quite adding up to me. 

That doesn't mean I was right to think so. 

I've been in two minds whether or not to disclose this. Whilst I have a professional background in fine art, that's what I now do. I also have a long professional background in mental health and addiction as a clinician. My last post was assessing and providing support to doctors and dentists who had mental health and addiction problems. It's a service available on the NHS.

I have quite a lot of experience but realise now by mentioning this I could face further judgement.