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Russel Brand, GUILTY

TheCatWoman

Of rape and sexual assault, has been remanded in custody and will be sentenced on Monday, to what the judge called a significant prison sentence. The Met have said they have to further cases against him that are before the CPS.

I really hope this case shines a light on the men who think they're entitled by fame to abuse any woman they choose.I hope the person who's currently asking the courts to stop him being named as a sexual abuser, because he might "try and kill himself" if named, gets told, no and that freedom of the press matters and that the women he's alledged of assaulting can have their day in court after a full and thorough investigation.

This comes on top of TWO cases currently before the courts of men accused of drugging their wives, raping them, photographing and filming them and asking other men to come and do the same.

I think Madam Pelicot has opened the floodgates on the amount of depravity some men are capable of. Apparently its quite a common fantasy among men, to want to have sex with an unconious woman!

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  • TheCatWoman said:
    Apparently its quite a common fantasy among men, to want to have sex with an unconious woman!

    I was surprised to hear this so I did a little digging:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnophilia

    A 2015 study with a sample of 1516 participants reported that 22.6% of men and 10.8% of women have fantasized about "sexually abusing a person who is drunk, asleep, or unconscious

    So it is not just a male thing - about half as many women as men have the same fantasy.

    I have had 2 long term partners who expressed a desire that I do such a thing with them but I always felt it was wrong - no clear consent means no to me and you cannot consent if you are not awake and lucid.

    I am glad that Russel has been finally locked up - this seems to have been a very long time coming.

  • in reply to Iain

    That's what a lot of people don't seem to get tbh. Men AND women are both capable of doing horrible things such as murder, rape and abuse, but the media seems content with portraying it as an exclusively male thing, which is very harmful, if you ask me

  • in reply to Jamesmac

    And do you have evidence that women abuse on anythig like the scale men do?

    Theres also a massive diference between fantasy and action. Some reports I've read about womens sexual fantasies do often include a wish to be unconcious but somehow also aware or even of being forced to have sex in a very romatic fiction sort of way. Its often been posited that women feel pressure to consent, to not consent and not to enjoy sex or to enjoy it in a particular way.

    Please excuse my ignorance, but physically could an unconcious man maintain an errection long enough?

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  • in reply to Jamesmac

    And do you have evidence that women abuse on anythig like the scale men do?

    Theres also a massive diference between fantasy and action. Some reports I've read about womens sexual fantasies do often include a wish to be unconcious but somehow also aware or even of being forced to have sex in a very romatic fiction sort of way. Its often been posited that women feel pressure to consent, to not consent and not to enjoy sex or to enjoy it in a particular way.

    Please excuse my ignorance, but physically could an unconcious man maintain an errection long enough?

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  • in reply to TheCatWoman
    TheCatWoman said:
    Would the same apply if you were drugged?

    It depends on the drug - most would cause the physical response to be muted as well.

    Just to be clear I was not unhappy about it, it just felt off that if I had done the same thing then I would have potentially been at risk of being accused of sexual assault whereas society would laugh at a man reporting the same thing if it was done to them.

    That is why I talk about responses being cultural in nature - men are thought to be lucky if it happens to them where women are seen as victims when it is really the same for both.

    The only real sexual assault I experienced was at uni where a friend of my girlfriend really wanted to have sex with me and would not leave me alone. She was going through a bad break up and I think saw me as a safe option but the unwanted groping, kissing and lewd suggestions had a very unsettling effect on me.

    I could shut her down by telling her to stop, that I was being abused and this would lead to her being upset and quite possibly telling some story to my girlfriend about how I was the instigator, or I could try to talk her down and get her to see reason.

    The solution was to talk her into a threesome with my friend (we were in uni accommodation so there were lots of people about) from which I disappeared while they got busy and called my girlfriend to tell her a edited version of the story so their friendship wasn't burned.

    I can see how quickly such a thing can get out of hand.

  • in reply to Iain

    I agree about consent. One wonders what clothing would acceptable to those who believe that what a woman wears invites rape. I once had this sort of conversation with an incel and it seemed to stop just short of a burkha, because men have the right to appreciate a womans body apparently.

    I'm sorry you woke up to that, if you were unhappy about it, it's not something I would personally consider doing, in fact it would never occur to me to do so. 

    Would the same apply if you were drugged?

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    TheCatWoman said:
    Please excuse my ignorance, but physically could an unconcious man maintain an errection long enough?

    I have been woken by my partner performing oral stimulation on me on more than a few occasions and found myself erect apparently from some time before I actually woke.

    A healthy man is unlikely to have a problem with responding this way if they can also respond similarly to physical stimulation when awake. 

    TheCatWoman said:
    Theres also a massive diference between fantasy and action.

    I agree, but the factors that influence this abuse are often cultural and moral in nature. I have had to tell my mother off numerous times when the news covers a rape and she would say something like "wearing that dress she was asking for it".

    Until we can normalise consent being required then it will remain a case of abuse being considered a reasonable response by the perpetrator.