• Replies 8 replies
  • Subscribers 83 subscribers
  • Views 231 views
  • Users 0 members are here
Options
Related
Hints and tips
  • To quote someone's message, first select/highlight the relevant text, and then use the Quote button that appears
  • To "mention" someone, type @ followed by the start of the forum name, and choose from the list; that person will get a notification of being mentioned

Russel Brand, GUILTY

TheCatWoman

Of rape and sexual assault, has been remanded in custody and will be sentenced on Monday, to what the judge called a significant prison sentence. The Met have said they have to further cases against him that are before the CPS.

I really hope this case shines a light on the men who think they're entitled by fame to abuse any woman they choose.I hope the person who's currently asking the courts to stop him being named as a sexual abuser, because he might "try and kill himself" if named, gets told, no and that freedom of the press matters and that the women he's alledged of assaulting can have their day in court after a full and thorough investigation.

This comes on top of TWO cases currently before the courts of men accused of drugging their wives, raping them, photographing and filming them and asking other men to come and do the same.

I think Madam Pelicot has opened the floodgates on the amount of depravity some men are capable of. Apparently its quite a common fantasy among men, to want to have sex with an unconious woman!

  • in reply to TheCatWoman
    TheCatWoman said:
    I've heard of one woman in the US who's alleged to have used their position to abuse, but thats all I know.

    The following link has statistics on the sort of thing you are referencing:

    https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics/statistics-depth/

    Please be aware that it contains some distressing information so do not click it if you are sensitive on this subject.

    Some key figures:

    - Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives

    - 15% of female rapes are by a stranger

  • in reply to Iain

    I agree about consent. One wonders what clothing would acceptable to those who believe that what a woman wears invites rape. I once had this sort of conversation with an incel and it seemed to stop just short of a burkha, because men have the right to appreciate a womans body apparently.

    I'm sorry you woke up to that, if you were unhappy about it, it's not something I would personally consider doing, in fact it would never occur to me to do so. 

    Would the same apply if you were drugged?

  • in reply to TheCatWoman
    TheCatWoman said:
    Please excuse my ignorance, but physically could an unconcious man maintain an errection long enough?

    I have been woken by my partner performing oral stimulation on me on more than a few occasions and found myself erect apparently from some time before I actually woke.

    A healthy man is unlikely to have a problem with responding this way if they can also respond similarly to physical stimulation when awake. 

    TheCatWoman said:
    Theres also a massive diference between fantasy and action.

    I agree, but the factors that influence this abuse are often cultural and moral in nature. I have had to tell my mother off numerous times when the news covers a rape and she would say something like "wearing that dress she was asking for it".

    Until we can normalise consent being required then it will remain a case of abuse being considered a reasonable response by the perpetrator.

  • in reply to LateToTheAlphaQuadrant

    I can understand that a man might feel pressured into sex and even if able to function may feel extrememly uncomfortable about it and may feel distress and trauma in the same way that a female rape victim would. One of the problems I think is that many still have the idea of a rapist as being someone who jumps out and grabs someone, but thats by far the minority, the majority of rapists are known to the victim, who often feel quite safe and have a resonable expectation of being safe, right up until the attack. It could be your friends partner, or a family member, a work collegue.

    I've heard of one woman in the US who's alleged to have used their position to abuse, but thats all I know.

  • in reply to Jamesmac

    And do you have evidence that women abuse on anythig like the scale men do?

    Theres also a massive diference between fantasy and action. Some reports I've read about womens sexual fantasies do often include a wish to be unconcious but somehow also aware or even of being forced to have sex in a very romatic fiction sort of way. Its often been posited that women feel pressure to consent, to not consent and not to enjoy sex or to enjoy it in a particular way.

    Please excuse my ignorance, but physically could an unconcious man maintain an errection long enough?

  • in reply to Jamesmac

    I don't think women can legaly rape men? I agree that some women are bad, but unfortunetly it is a much, much higher proportion of men that commit sexual and violent crime. I have also yet to hear of a female TV or radio celeb that has abused their position to abuse women and children. 

  • in reply to Iain

    That's what a lot of people don't seem to get tbh. Men AND women are both capable of doing horrible things such as murder, rape and abuse, but the media seems content with portraying it as an exclusively male thing, which is very harmful, if you ask me

  • TheCatWoman said:
    Apparently its quite a common fantasy among men, to want to have sex with an unconious woman!

    I was surprised to hear this so I did a little digging:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnophilia

    A 2015 study with a sample of 1516 participants reported that 22.6% of men and 10.8% of women have fantasized about "sexually abusing a person who is drunk, asleep, or unconscious

    So it is not just a male thing - about half as many women as men have the same fantasy.

    I have had 2 long term partners who expressed a desire that I do such a thing with them but I always felt it was wrong - no clear consent means no to me and you cannot consent if you are not awake and lucid.

    I am glad that Russel has been finally locked up - this seems to have been a very long time coming.