Hello... and questions? (´∇`'')

Hello, new here. I've been lurking for almost a month and haven't had the courage to post so here goes...

I'm not diagnosed so I can't say I'm autistic or not but I related to a lot of things that are deemed autistic, at least in terms of the internet.
I've tried to get a diagnosis but it's really expensive here and therapists have deterred me from finding out by saying things like "Ha. No, I don't think you're autistic." 
With no other explanation. I tend to believe people's words so shrugged and accepted what they said but I felt a lot of pain and suffering. 
Therapy doesn't seem to work and I tried Sertraline but they don't seem to help me with what I feel. I stopped both.
It's mostly social struggles. I'm here to see if anyone else feels this way whether autistic or not because I just want to feel a little less alone in my confusion. 
Some examples of my social struggles:
  1. When to speak?
  2. When not to speak?
  3. Always replaying every social interaction I have. Yes, even every therapy session.
  4. Feeling body pain from social interactions and realizing months, days or even YEARS later that maybe I was being bullied and that's why my body hurts (back, chest, etc. as if my heart was being broken by people?) Sometimes people don't even have to talk to me and I feel pain from them? 
  5. Speaking too loudly for other people about things that excite me then closing off when dismissed or made to feel bad for that. 
  6. Speaking too softly or not at all for other people (it's a paradox!!). Bullied for keeping to myself. This one I don't get! I kind of get people being mad if I'm too loud (as loud people can affect me too lol) but I also get. BUT why is it the more I keep to myself the more people dislike that about me? Like? I don't know what to say. They make me feel bad when I speak but then are also mad when I don't?! Anyone have this issue?
  7. Feeling too much because I get excited a lot. I emote a lot. (,; ⩌ ;,) I message a lot. (..◜ᴗ◝..) I like to write a lot because speaking just never feels right to me so text or emails or messages just make me feel freer... but somehow others feel overwhelmed by that and only give single answers or make fun of me or tell me to calm down or relax more? ๑-๑ Or I like to wish people well a lot and people seem to make faces at me for this? I read somewhere that it's because other's don't actually wish well of others so me saying that makes other people feel bad or like I'm faking kindness for some reason that makes them confused or uneasy? Idk. Σ(°△° ꪱꪱꪱ)
  8. Burning out at work a lot because I have avoidance for talking to people for the above but then when I do all that work- I get MORE work instead of less. People seem to think I'm trying too hard or a teacher's pet kind of thing. But honestly I do work quickly so I can be left alone but ehhh it's a bad cycle. 
ANYWAY there is so much that I can't think of other examples rn. But hey I got some stuff off my mind and onto a forum... on. the. internet. (っ╥﹏╥ς) 

Tl;dr please be nice, I'm just venting here to begin with. SO in summary:
  1. Do you feel comfortable "socializing"?  I don't. I get drained. Is that "normal"? (See above)
  2. Does your body hurt a lot because of different energies especially from other people? 
  3. Do you avoid people but somehow get stuck in a loop where you have to talk with them more from "overworking" or "over asking clarifying questions" in others' opinions? 
Hoping for some community, maybe or at least to hear other's can relate but no expectations... might delete later. K bye... /\
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  • Good afternoon from America, RemediosLaBella!

    1. Shift the focus from figuring out when to speak to when to listen. If you listen intently - even when you aren’t interested - it is a bit easier to pick up when the other speaker is expecting you to respond. Not 100% a solution to the problem, but it does help a bit to change that perspective.

    2. As a job coach, I’ve noticed that us with invisible disabilities are vulnerable to oversharing during job interviews in particular. We get nervous, so we fill any silence with unnecessary garble that could easily cost us the job. This can best be avoided by giving yourself a quick couple of seconds to imagine what you will say before you say it. Then you are more often not going to speak out of turn or say something embarrassing, rather than trying to “improvise” everything you say.

    3. Yes, that is common with Autism. My approach to that lately has been reframing it from being obsessively embarrassed over what I said or misunderstood to what can I learn from that conversation. Take embarrassing conversations and figure out how you can avoid those situations moving forward.

    4. Oh I feel more exhaustion than physical pain after social exchanges, but that doesn’t sound extraordinary for Autism. The worst is when I pick up cues that the other person may be deceptive about something, since I have a panic reaction to liars. The good news is, I’m much more aware of when people are messing with me than when I was a child due to that trauma response. I think of it as being like touching a lit stove burner: It hurts because your body is warning you of the potential danger of getting burned.

    5. Very common issue, I imagine. For me, I am very careful about who I info-dump on. I ensure that I have established a sense of trust with a person before I allow myself the impulse to get louder and excited during a conversation. That means that generally the only people that see that side of me already know I’m Autistic. Similarly, I would get very animated while discussing topics that interested me when I was a professor. Strangely, a university classroom’s lectern is a very acceptable venue for that behavior.

    6. I’ve been there too. It used to be a big issue more when I was a kid, but I get remarks from extended family for shutting down at family events as well. My best advice is once again to focus more on listening so that you can at least engage in conversation with little bits such as “Right,” “Yeah,” and “Of course” to show interest in what is going on. That allows you to minimize your involvement, but also keep you from appearing as though you are uninterested or shut down.

    7. I feel like there are a few questions in this one lol. First off, if people are put off by your emoting, then it may just be you are engaging with the wrong crowd. That might not be your “people.” If it is more of a universal issue with everyone, then you may need to work on masking, as much as I hate suggesting that. At least put on the performance that you are not as emotive when you are not around your safe people. In regards to people giving short responses, that might not be necessarily indicative that they are overwhelmed. I mean, I guess it could, but it also could just be their way of communicating.

    I’ve got a funny story relating to your “wishing well” issue. When I was a professor at a Christian university (I’m agnostic atheist), there was an outcry that another professor wrote a story where characters wished instead of prayed. He got fired over that and a few other minor issues, which was wild. I was so upset by that, I began signing off every email with “best wishes” in retaliation, while coworkers usually used “Godspeed” or “God bless”. Hilariously, I still do it even though I actually mean it now. All that to say, don’t worry about others nitpicking the sincerity behind your wishing well. Even if that is just something you say with or without meaning, it’s a part of your social identity and they have no right to disparage that.

    8. Burning out at work is an immense issue in this community, and you can find innumerable threads on that here on the forum. I recommend doing a quick search of the threads on the homepage and you’ll be amazed how many we have made even in just the last year regarding work experiences.

    Best wishes!

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  • Good afternoon from America, RemediosLaBella!

    1. Shift the focus from figuring out when to speak to when to listen. If you listen intently - even when you aren’t interested - it is a bit easier to pick up when the other speaker is expecting you to respond. Not 100% a solution to the problem, but it does help a bit to change that perspective.

    2. As a job coach, I’ve noticed that us with invisible disabilities are vulnerable to oversharing during job interviews in particular. We get nervous, so we fill any silence with unnecessary garble that could easily cost us the job. This can best be avoided by giving yourself a quick couple of seconds to imagine what you will say before you say it. Then you are more often not going to speak out of turn or say something embarrassing, rather than trying to “improvise” everything you say.

    3. Yes, that is common with Autism. My approach to that lately has been reframing it from being obsessively embarrassed over what I said or misunderstood to what can I learn from that conversation. Take embarrassing conversations and figure out how you can avoid those situations moving forward.

    4. Oh I feel more exhaustion than physical pain after social exchanges, but that doesn’t sound extraordinary for Autism. The worst is when I pick up cues that the other person may be deceptive about something, since I have a panic reaction to liars. The good news is, I’m much more aware of when people are messing with me than when I was a child due to that trauma response. I think of it as being like touching a lit stove burner: It hurts because your body is warning you of the potential danger of getting burned.

    5. Very common issue, I imagine. For me, I am very careful about who I info-dump on. I ensure that I have established a sense of trust with a person before I allow myself the impulse to get louder and excited during a conversation. That means that generally the only people that see that side of me already know I’m Autistic. Similarly, I would get very animated while discussing topics that interested me when I was a professor. Strangely, a university classroom’s lectern is a very acceptable venue for that behavior.

    6. I’ve been there too. It used to be a big issue more when I was a kid, but I get remarks from extended family for shutting down at family events as well. My best advice is once again to focus more on listening so that you can at least engage in conversation with little bits such as “Right,” “Yeah,” and “Of course” to show interest in what is going on. That allows you to minimize your involvement, but also keep you from appearing as though you are uninterested or shut down.

    7. I feel like there are a few questions in this one lol. First off, if people are put off by your emoting, then it may just be you are engaging with the wrong crowd. That might not be your “people.” If it is more of a universal issue with everyone, then you may need to work on masking, as much as I hate suggesting that. At least put on the performance that you are not as emotive when you are not around your safe people. In regards to people giving short responses, that might not be necessarily indicative that they are overwhelmed. I mean, I guess it could, but it also could just be their way of communicating.

    I’ve got a funny story relating to your “wishing well” issue. When I was a professor at a Christian university (I’m agnostic atheist), there was an outcry that another professor wrote a story where characters wished instead of prayed. He got fired over that and a few other minor issues, which was wild. I was so upset by that, I began signing off every email with “best wishes” in retaliation, while coworkers usually used “Godspeed” or “God bless”. Hilariously, I still do it even though I actually mean it now. All that to say, don’t worry about others nitpicking the sincerity behind your wishing well. Even if that is just something you say with or without meaning, it’s a part of your social identity and they have no right to disparage that.

    8. Burning out at work is an immense issue in this community, and you can find innumerable threads on that here on the forum. I recommend doing a quick search of the threads on the homepage and you’ll be amazed how many we have made even in just the last year regarding work experiences.

    Best wishes!

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  • Hello profdanger!!

    1. and 6. 

    1. Shift the focus from figuring out when to speak to when to listen. If you listen intently - even when you aren’t interested - it is a bit easier to pick up when the other speaker is expecting you to respond. Not 100% a solution to the problem, but it does help a bit to change that perspective.
    6. I’ve been there too. It used to be a big issue more when I was a kid, but I get remarks from extended family for shutting down at family events as well. My best advice is once again to focus more on listening so that you can at least engage in conversation with little bits such as “Right,” “Yeah,” and “Of course” to show interest in what is going on. That allows you to minimize your involvement, but also keep you from appearing as though you are uninterested or shut down.

    I think if I listen too much... well I never speak hahaha!! (ᵕˆヮˆ)
    Maybe that's a good thing but it often leaves me feeling regret (later on) for not trying to be brave ;-; *shrug*

    2. 

    2. As a job coach, I’ve noticed that us with invisible disabilities are vulnerable to oversharing during job interviews in particular. We get nervous, so we fill any silence with unnecessary garble that could easily cost us the job. This can best be avoided by giving yourself a quick couple of seconds to imagine what you will say before you say it. Then you are more often not going to speak out of turn or say something embarrassing, rather than trying to “improvise” everything you say.

    Yes I fill the silences... and well that makes the room quiet pretty quickly which makes me not talk to people for a while. 
    (╥ ᴗ ╥)

    How do you remember to take a few seconds?! I feel like I swing between garble or mutism. Whyyyyy?! /\

    3. 5. and 7. 

    3. Yes, that is common with Autism. My approach to that lately has been reframing it from being obsessively embarrassed over what I said or misunderstood to what can I learn from that conversation. Take embarrassing conversations and figure out how you can avoid those situations moving forward.
    5. Very common issue, I imagine. For me, I am very careful about who I info-dump on. I ensure that I have established a sense of trust with a person before I allow myself the impulse to get louder and excited during a conversation. That means that generally the only people that see that side of me already know I’m Autistic. Similarly, I would get very animated while discussing topics that interested me when I was a professor. Strangely, a university classroom’s lectern is a very acceptable venue for that behavior.
    7. I feel like there are a few questions in this one lol. First off, if people are put off by your emoting, then it may just be you are engaging with the wrong crowd. That might not be your “people.” If it is more of a universal issue with everyone, then you may need to work on masking, as much as I hate suggesting that. At least put on the performance that you are not as emotive when you are not around your safe people. In regards to people giving short responses, that might not be necessarily indicative that they are overwhelmed. I mean, I guess it could, but it also could just be their way of communicating.


    That's what's made me avoid... everyone. Heh... heh... Σ(°△° ꪱꪱꪱ)
    But I think you and Lotus are on to something... maybe I need to find "safe" people or the right "crowd", so I don't need to ever feel embarrassed around?! But where are they hiding?! Probably hiding from other people just like me irl... lol
    Still, thank you for reminding me of this: it's ok to not be liked. I really gotta learn this life lesson. 100

    4. 

    4. Oh I feel more exhaustion than physical pain after social exchanges, but that doesn’t sound extraordinary for Autism. The worst is when I pick up cues that the other person may be deceptive about something, since I have a panic reaction to liars. The good news is, I’m much more aware of when people are messing with me than when I was a child due to that trauma response. I think of it as being like touching a lit stove burner: It hurts because your body is warning you of the potential danger of getting burned.

    Maybe that's what it is!! I still haven't figured out why but yes it hurts like danger! Huh. Didn't think of it that way. Thinking
    I'll try to remember this. 

    7. 

    I’ve got a funny story relating to your “wishing well” issue. When I was a professor at a Christian university (I’m agnostic atheist), there was an outcry that another professor wrote a story where characters wished instead of prayed. He got fired over that and a few other minor issues, which was wild. I was so upset by that, I began signing off every email with “best wishes” in retaliation, while coworkers usually used “Godspeed” or “God bless”. Hilariously, I still do it even though I actually mean it now. All that to say, don’t worry about others nitpicking the sincerity behind your wishing well. Even if that is just something you say with or without meaning, it’s a part of your social identity and they have no right to disparage that.

    Lol that's awesome haha I think I will now think of this story any time I see "best wishes" xD !!!

    8. 

    8. Burning out at work is an immense issue in this community, and you can find innumerable threads on that here on the forum. I recommend doing a quick search of the threads on the homepage and you’ll be amazed how many we have made even in just the last year regarding work experiences.

    Thank you! I might look into it but also don't want to get overwhelmed or re-triggered. We'll see.

    LOL the BeSt WiShEs has me deceased hahahahaha 

    Best wishes to you, too haha! Really needed this laugh lol Joy