I've never really got on with Tai Chi and Taoist practices, I don't know why, but they make me feel like an overcoat on a wheelbarrow, but I respect those who get on with it. My ex husband was into Tai Chi and Aikido too, his Tai Chi teacher told him that everybody has a martial arts style that relates to the elements. How do you feel about this?
I know from my own practice that I get on better with yoga and that my elemental style is water, as Monty Python would have it, I'm a watery bint, I'm a water tiger in Chinese astrology and in my Western chart I'm nearly all water, I'm still waiting for my Indian chart to be translated and interpreted.
One strange thing I've noticed is how my body seemed to desicate over the weeks of drought, I was properly hydrated and everything, but now it's started raining again I feel as thugh my internal aquifers are starting to refill.
I think being with and in our element is an overlooked part of who we are and how we operate, physically, mentally and spiritually.
Maybe something that replicates the actions of spraying something with WD40?
In the west we only have four elements, earth, air, fire and water, we don't have wood and althgough I love wood I find it a bit confusing as an element.
Another difference I've noticed and something I think needs discussion and work is how different the elements and directions are from east to west and the reasons for them.
East, in the western system is air, signifying clear thought, think of an esterly wind blowing in, cold and clear, the sort of lazy wiind that can't be bothered to around you, but has to go thtrough you, its cuts like a knife.
South is fire, our hot summer winds. It brings passion to our lives and can be used as an inspiration and a driver
West is water, to our west is our largest body of water, the Atlantic, it brings rain and winds. It's healing, its a different kind of passion, more the passion of lovers than the zeal to achieve something, it's softer and more encompassing.
North is earth, the place of grounding, it's steadfast, holding out against the storm, hunkering down, preparing for a stage of active inaction, little grows but we prepare the ground and lay solid foundations.
I've seen variations of the Chinese elements with some saying south is water, which makes sense as the largest body of water to China is the South China Sea. We don't have the idea of wood holding the centre as a fifth element.
Celtic god Cernunnos. Intriguingly, he isn't sitting on a throne; he is seated flat on the ground in a perfect, advanced yogic lotus position
hehe - or maybe it just illustrates that they didn't have chairs in those days! gawd i do go off on one some times...
I love that feeling of Being, of feeling everything moving through and around me.
I wouldn't say that the elements are static as such in the Western system, but their very nature they're moving.
I wish we had a tradition of movement such as TaiCHi or Yoga, I'm sure we must have done at one time, but when and how it was lost I don't know.
Are there other interpretations in China of what the elements relate too? I was thinking in particular of Feng Shui.
I shall sit with your explainations of the elements for a while, its not something that sits naturally with me, although I get what you mean about the pole star. Metal is something we dont' see in Western elemental systems as well as wood, although I guess you could see north as wood and stone.
Are there other interpretations in China of what the elements relate too? I was thinking in particular of Feng Shui.
I think we'd probably both get in trouble on here if we said what we really think about things like the potato famine, the clearances and a lot of other things.
yep i'm really up for that discussion TheCatWoman In five element theory from Taoism : West is metal, North is water, east is wood, south is fire and the centre is earth. The journey of a thousand miles begins underneath one's feet, it is said, (hehe by some old person...) that is to say the centre or the Earth and maybe that's where we have different models to talk about. Here's a kindof "boiled down" Taoist take on it
You're correct about the geography TheCatWoman Ancient Chinese maps were even oriented with South at the top. The Emperor sat on his throne facing South, meaning the hot South was ahead, the cold North (and the North Star) was at his back, the rising sun (East/Wood) was to his left, and the mountains (West/Metal) were to his right.
So these are physical manifestations or "embodiment" of these 5 elements in a physical exercise system if that makes sense?
anyway that's one take on it :-)
Yep, it makes sense that peoples' biology reflects the environment they developed in over generations - i save the seeds from plants I've grown in my garden and allotment and they seem to do better than ones brought in - makes sense that the genetics leans towards adaptation for what the soil etc is like after a few iterations. Moving stuff around becomes bit of a problem in this context - take potatoes for example - the really crazy thing is that Ireland a that time was exporting vast amounts of other grub - grain etc. but the people growing it only had potato and it was seen as a good way of clearing away such poor genetic stock for such people to starve. (oh don't get me started on exploitation of the working class....)
Have you come across epigenetics? According to AI, my love of water, the west and needing to live on the western seaboard, preferably the north western part, my love of the watery almost misty light and dislike of the south east with its stronger sun and harsher light, comes from epigenetics. Apparently its all linked to my 4 times gr grandparents who came from Western Ireland during the potato famine, I don't know about epigenetics, I feel it something I've just scratched the surface of and would love to learn more and am quite prepared to accept that the AI explaination is rubbish.
Have you come across epigenetics? According to AI, my love of water, the west and needing to live on the western seaboard, preferably the north western part, my love of the watery almost misty light and dislike of the south east with its stronger sun and harsher light, comes from epigenetics. Apparently its all linked to my 4 times gr grandparents who came from Western Ireland during the potato famine, I don't know about epigenetics, I feel it something I've just scratched the surface of and would love to learn more and am quite prepared to accept that the AI explaination is rubbish.
Yep, it makes sense that peoples' biology reflects the environment they developed in over generations - i save the seeds from plants I've grown in my garden and allotment and they seem to do better than ones brought in - makes sense that the genetics leans towards adaptation for what the soil etc is like after a few iterations. Moving stuff around becomes bit of a problem in this context - take potatoes for example - the really crazy thing is that Ireland a that time was exporting vast amounts of other grub - grain etc. but the people growing it only had potato and it was seen as a good way of clearing away such poor genetic stock for such people to starve. (oh don't get me started on exploitation of the working class....)