Communication difficulties and different autistic profiles

On the Random Thoughts thread I said that I often don't feel like I belong here and many of you were kind enough to tell me my contributions to discussion are valued, but I think one of the reasons I don't feel I belong is that autism manifests differently in me to how it does in most others.

Many people here seem to AUHD, whereas I'm a Liminal Austic Thinker, this means I like to inhabit the grey areas of life, rather than the black and white of Binary Thinkers, or the fact driven thought processes of Analytical Thinkers or the High Energy, rapid paced emotional short hand loving AUDH people.

This difference in cognitive style makes it hard for us all to communicate easily, it's why I don't get emojis and others love them and are quite happy to post long streams of them that mean loads to those of the same cognitive type, where as I just look at them and think Eh? Of course not being able to see them properly even with my glasses dosen't help either. I need a longer form of commuication, not short forms of text speak and emojis, especially when theres an emotional depth to what people are communicating, I don't understand memes either, probably because I don't inhabit the spaces that use them, but it's very difficult for those of us who aren't AUDH to always understand WTF people are on about.

I know I'm a deep thinker, who's uncomfortable with binary answers, choices and rules based thinking and black and white thinking in general, I guess some people read what I've posted and think 'WTF's she on about now, I can't be bothered to read all that, why can she just say it with a meme and a couple of emojis?' I see patterns in a lot of things, the story behind the story, where things that seem very different are expression of a similar thing and sometimes the same thing, it's very rare for me to think in a straight line, to me the world is like a jigsaw where I can see the whole picture and at the same time move pieces around, this happens in different dimensions and levels too, nothing is vertical or flat and without texture.

Having had training in both counselling and a history degree has really taught me to ask questions of questions, to look under the surface of whats presented to me and to say the unpleasant, the deviant, the socially unexceptable, to name the game being played and ask others if they see the game too and do they really want to play it? This is uncomfortble for many people, but once I've seen something like that I can't unsee it, I can't not say what I see, people of a more binary type of thinking or an analytical type might look and think something like ' the ladders falling down, all the bits are on the floor, must deny the collapse and put the ladder back together'.

I think basically what I'm trying to say is that AUDH is the dominant type here and that why I often feel that I don't fit in, we literally see the world differently, through different lenses. But is it just me that feels like this? Can we make a bit more effort to be accomodating of different types? I wonder if other people come here and are put off because they don't feel reflected in what they read here how responses are framed?

I think theres also a danger that AUDH is seen as the only type or even the most common type of autism and all services end up geared towards AUDH and those of us who express differently are excluded again, are doubly stigmatised by an NT world that dosen't understand and dosen't really want to and an ND world thats seems largely AUDH and is just relieved to have finally been recognised. Included in this exclusion is those of us who don't cope well with the digital world, the dominant narrative being that autistic people don't like talking to others so if we do everything digitally then thats ok. So whilst you lots are happily chatting away using memes and emojis, theres others of us sitting down with a piece of paper, a fountain pen and ink from a bottle, trying to set down our thoughts.

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  • My perspectives are thus;
    Black and white thinking can be interpreted as literal thinking, while grey area thinking could be interpreted as flexible thinking. Black and white thinking is different to being closed minded; grey area thinking is not the same as being open minded.
    Some people are able to have more and different imagination than others.

    How do you think you come across here? This isn't being confrontational.


    Next, its also worth considering that, your comments are simply your own perspective - maybe challenge this? Look for the grey area in your own ideas.

    Discussion is only as interesting as you make it, and is only as interesting as the people taking part. Different thinking styles would enhance this. All of this is a matter of perspective for each individual. My perpective on this matter is one of the reasons I left the forum last year. My experience and perception is deep thinking communication happens organically with the right ingredients and I wonder if the forum still has that - in the way that I would require.

    Lastly, its worth noting that as neurodivergent people whether that be AS, Audhd - difficulty with communication is our difference. Its what we struggle with. Its a huge part of why we are the way we are, in terms of how we relate to others and how we say things. 


    I hope that my comments promote further thought. It doesn't even touch the surface of what goes on inside my head. That, I would never be able to sufficiently communicate. By its very nature deep thinking is just that - a solitary pursuit. One which i get a great deal of fulfilment from.

  • I dont know what im doing back here. This is nothing personal at all but I may turn into a deleted user quite quickly.

  • It may help you in your decision making regarding this if I respond (genuinely) that I agree with that which you have written  .

    There is perhaps a relevant self deprecating joke I am reminded of, that is to say: "I have hidden shallows." :-)

    Best Wishes

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  • And its those environmental factors which are causing a withdrawal Including retreating from online. So I am extremely surprised to find myself here. Maybe its a 24 hour experiment with myself.

    I find the concept of self awareness interesting. While I consider myself VERY aware of my own self, im also aware one can never work in absolutes and by my nature there will be things I do not realise or know about myself.

    Is also worth considering that what our own interpretation of deep thinking is may not even touch the sides with others. Also as what we consider to define as shallow....A good heart is the most important thing.

    The journey of being late diagnosed can be a frustrating and confusing one, but it can also bring positive changes if one looks closely enough. Once one starts to understand, accept and appreciate one's own differences one may start to do the same with others. Including difference in communication and thinking styles. It takes hard work.

    In essence we seem to agree on similar things....I think! Including an aversion to ourselves at times!!

  • One may be or become allergic to many things - sometimes quite dangerously so - even oneself in my experience.  I think we concur that environmental factors of all sorts seem to be key to managing this risk.

    It is sometimes said of someone that although they may, by their behaviour, appear shallow in their thinking and relationships to other people and the wider world they actually have "hidden depths" when they occasionally reveal to others by saying or doing something that contradicts the supposition.

    The joke that someone has "hidden shallows" I have heard applied to someone who is so shallow that the shallows are themselves hidden!

    I think that for myself I was intimating that I personally find it hard to be shallow in my thinking! (hehe or at least am so shallow that I fail to recognise when I am being so!).

    Best wishes 

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  • One may be or become allergic to many things - sometimes quite dangerously so - even oneself in my experience.  I think we concur that environmental factors of all sorts seem to be key to managing this risk.

    It is sometimes said of someone that although they may, by their behaviour, appear shallow in their thinking and relationships to other people and the wider world they actually have "hidden depths" when they occasionally reveal to others by saying or doing something that contradicts the supposition.

    The joke that someone has "hidden shallows" I have heard applied to someone who is so shallow that the shallows are themselves hidden!

    I think that for myself I was intimating that I personally find it hard to be shallow in my thinking! (hehe or at least am so shallow that I fail to recognise when I am being so!).

    Best wishes 

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  • And its those environmental factors which are causing a withdrawal Including retreating from online. So I am extremely surprised to find myself here. Maybe its a 24 hour experiment with myself.

    I find the concept of self awareness interesting. While I consider myself VERY aware of my own self, im also aware one can never work in absolutes and by my nature there will be things I do not realise or know about myself.

    Is also worth considering that what our own interpretation of deep thinking is may not even touch the sides with others. Also as what we consider to define as shallow....A good heart is the most important thing.

    The journey of being late diagnosed can be a frustrating and confusing one, but it can also bring positive changes if one looks closely enough. Once one starts to understand, accept and appreciate one's own differences one may start to do the same with others. Including difference in communication and thinking styles. It takes hard work.

    In essence we seem to agree on similar things....I think! Including an aversion to ourselves at times!!