Communication difficulties and different autistic profiles

On the Random Thoughts thread I said that I often don't feel like I belong here and many of you were kind enough to tell me my contributions to discussion are valued, but I think one of the reasons I don't feel I belong is that autism manifests differently in me to how it does in most others.

Many people here seem to AUHD, whereas I'm a Liminal Austic Thinker, this means I like to inhabit the grey areas of life, rather than the black and white of Binary Thinkers, or the fact driven thought processes of Analytical Thinkers or the High Energy, rapid paced emotional short hand loving AUDH people.

This difference in cognitive style makes it hard for us all to communicate easily, it's why I don't get emojis and others love them and are quite happy to post long streams of them that mean loads to those of the same cognitive type, where as I just look at them and think Eh? Of course not being able to see them properly even with my glasses dosen't help either. I need a longer form of commuication, not short forms of text speak and emojis, especially when theres an emotional depth to what people are communicating, I don't understand memes either, probably because I don't inhabit the spaces that use them, but it's very difficult for those of us who aren't AUDH to always understand WTF people are on about.

I know I'm a deep thinker, who's uncomfortable with binary answers, choices and rules based thinking and black and white thinking in general, I guess some people read what I've posted and think 'WTF's she on about now, I can't be bothered to read all that, why can she just say it with a meme and a couple of emojis?' I see patterns in a lot of things, the story behind the story, where things that seem very different are expression of a similar thing and sometimes the same thing, it's very rare for me to think in a straight line, to me the world is like a jigsaw where I can see the whole picture and at the same time move pieces around, this happens in different dimensions and levels too, nothing is vertical or flat and without texture.

Having had training in both counselling and a history degree has really taught me to ask questions of questions, to look under the surface of whats presented to me and to say the unpleasant, the deviant, the socially unexceptable, to name the game being played and ask others if they see the game too and do they really want to play it? This is uncomfortble for many people, but once I've seen something like that I can't unsee it, I can't not say what I see, people of a more binary type of thinking or an analytical type might look and think something like ' the ladders falling down, all the bits are on the floor, must deny the collapse and put the ladder back together'.

I think basically what I'm trying to say is that AUDH is the dominant type here and that why I often feel that I don't fit in, we literally see the world differently, through different lenses. But is it just me that feels like this? Can we make a bit more effort to be accomodating of different types? I wonder if other people come here and are put off because they don't feel reflected in what they read here how responses are framed?

I think theres also a danger that AUDH is seen as the only type or even the most common type of autism and all services end up geared towards AUDH and those of us who express differently are excluded again, are doubly stigmatised by an NT world that dosen't understand and dosen't really want to and an ND world thats seems largely AUDH and is just relieved to have finally been recognised. Included in this exclusion is those of us who don't cope well with the digital world, the dominant narrative being that autistic people don't like talking to others so if we do everything digitally then thats ok. So whilst you lots are happily chatting away using memes and emojis, theres others of us sitting down with a piece of paper, a fountain pen and ink from a bottle, trying to set down our thoughts.

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  • Hi  

    I read your post with interest (and am desperately doing my best to avoid adding emojis in my response :-) - oops sorry failed!).  I appreciate your thoughts and the work you have made in putting sharing them - thank you.

    so that ":-)" reveals me as one who also can't resist saying unpleasant, the deviant and the socially unacceptable to others to - hopefully the rest of what I write outweighs any offence .

    Over and over again I have listened to a podcast about Plato's Republic - hehe being a bit slow on the uptake... The last few times I listened to it I keep getting caught on to an "The Allegory of the Cave" that is used in it.  As I understand it, according to the allegory, people are chained by their necks and ankles facing the empty wall of the cave - the things they see and believe as reality are only the shadows that reality sheds. then someone escapes the cave and gets experience of what is really going on outside (not a pleasant experience to start with) and they don't get a particularly welcoming response when they go back in the cave and do their best to explain what is going on... that's from a book that's 3000 years old.  I can't see any evidence that people have changed a lot in the intervening period myself.

    Considering myself as being one who because of the nature of autism maybe already has a good grasp of "shadow play" by adapting my mask to throw a suitable shadow.  I have to really work hard not to want to explain the shadows that others are casting themselves unless they ask for me to, and even then have to be very careful and adaptive about how I do so.  Comes with the autism? Maybe when I can't restrain myself I can't help but point out the shadow game others play too.  Perhaps this is the origin of failings in empathy that I might personally be accused of.

    With respect to the dominant narrative of autistic people not liking talking to people that you suggest is present and that everything done digitally is OK...  Well, a flat monotone (unless I actively choose to do otherwise) and lack in eye contact (unless I make myself do it) can be a bit of a social handicap for me personally - that doesn't seem to me to necessarily be a problem when using writing so much.  The emoji's when i personally use them are a shorthand for making up for me failing to clearly get across my emotional context maybe when I am doing so?  At the risk of being particularly pedantic I wonder if there is a clue with the difference between talking to and talking with others.  Talking "with" as opposed to "to" others seems to me to be a skill not so regularly practiced as one might hope for it to be among such advanced creatures as human beings.

    Best wishes

    Phased

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  • Hi  

    I read your post with interest (and am desperately doing my best to avoid adding emojis in my response :-) - oops sorry failed!).  I appreciate your thoughts and the work you have made in putting sharing them - thank you.

    so that ":-)" reveals me as one who also can't resist saying unpleasant, the deviant and the socially unacceptable to others to - hopefully the rest of what I write outweighs any offence .

    Over and over again I have listened to a podcast about Plato's Republic - hehe being a bit slow on the uptake... The last few times I listened to it I keep getting caught on to an "The Allegory of the Cave" that is used in it.  As I understand it, according to the allegory, people are chained by their necks and ankles facing the empty wall of the cave - the things they see and believe as reality are only the shadows that reality sheds. then someone escapes the cave and gets experience of what is really going on outside (not a pleasant experience to start with) and they don't get a particularly welcoming response when they go back in the cave and do their best to explain what is going on... that's from a book that's 3000 years old.  I can't see any evidence that people have changed a lot in the intervening period myself.

    Considering myself as being one who because of the nature of autism maybe already has a good grasp of "shadow play" by adapting my mask to throw a suitable shadow.  I have to really work hard not to want to explain the shadows that others are casting themselves unless they ask for me to, and even then have to be very careful and adaptive about how I do so.  Comes with the autism? Maybe when I can't restrain myself I can't help but point out the shadow game others play too.  Perhaps this is the origin of failings in empathy that I might personally be accused of.

    With respect to the dominant narrative of autistic people not liking talking to people that you suggest is present and that everything done digitally is OK...  Well, a flat monotone (unless I actively choose to do otherwise) and lack in eye contact (unless I make myself do it) can be a bit of a social handicap for me personally - that doesn't seem to me to necessarily be a problem when using writing so much.  The emoji's when i personally use them are a shorthand for making up for me failing to clearly get across my emotional context maybe when I am doing so?  At the risk of being particularly pedantic I wonder if there is a clue with the difference between talking to and talking with others.  Talking "with" as opposed to "to" others seems to me to be a skill not so regularly practiced as one might hope for it to be among such advanced creatures as human beings.

    Best wishes

    Phased

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