Communication difficulties and different autistic profiles

On the Random Thoughts thread I said that I often don't feel like I belong here and many of you were kind enough to tell me my contributions to discussion are valued, but I think one of the reasons I don't feel I belong is that autism manifests differently in me to how it does in most others.

Many people here seem to AUHD, whereas I'm a Liminal Austic Thinker, this means I like to inhabit the grey areas of life, rather than the black and white of Binary Thinkers, or the fact driven thought processes of Analytical Thinkers or the High Energy, rapid paced emotional short hand loving AUDH people.

This difference in cognitive style makes it hard for us all to communicate easily, it's why I don't get emojis and others love them and are quite happy to post long streams of them that mean loads to those of the same cognitive type, where as I just look at them and think Eh? Of course not being able to see them properly even with my glasses dosen't help either. I need a longer form of commuication, not short forms of text speak and emojis, especially when theres an emotional depth to what people are communicating, I don't understand memes either, probably because I don't inhabit the spaces that use them, but it's very difficult for those of us who aren't AUDH to always understand WTF people are on about.

I know I'm a deep thinker, who's uncomfortable with binary answers, choices and rules based thinking and black and white thinking in general, I guess some people read what I've posted and think 'WTF's she on about now, I can't be bothered to read all that, why can she just say it with a meme and a couple of emojis?' I see patterns in a lot of things, the story behind the story, where things that seem very different are expression of a similar thing and sometimes the same thing, it's very rare for me to think in a straight line, to me the world is like a jigsaw where I can see the whole picture and at the same time move pieces around, this happens in different dimensions and levels too, nothing is vertical or flat and without texture.

Having had training in both counselling and a history degree has really taught me to ask questions of questions, to look under the surface of whats presented to me and to say the unpleasant, the deviant, the socially unexceptable, to name the game being played and ask others if they see the game too and do they really want to play it? This is uncomfortble for many people, but once I've seen something like that I can't unsee it, I can't not say what I see, people of a more binary type of thinking or an analytical type might look and think something like ' the ladders falling down, all the bits are on the floor, must deny the collapse and put the ladder back together'.

I think basically what I'm trying to say is that AUDH is the dominant type here and that why I often feel that I don't fit in, we literally see the world differently, through different lenses. But is it just me that feels like this? Can we make a bit more effort to be accomodating of different types? I wonder if other people come here and are put off because they don't feel reflected in what they read here how responses are framed?

I think theres also a danger that AUDH is seen as the only type or even the most common type of autism and all services end up geared towards AUDH and those of us who express differently are excluded again, are doubly stigmatised by an NT world that dosen't understand and dosen't really want to and an ND world thats seems largely AUDH and is just relieved to have finally been recognised. Included in this exclusion is those of us who don't cope well with the digital world, the dominant narrative being that autistic people don't like talking to others so if we do everything digitally then thats ok. So whilst you lots are happily chatting away using memes and emojis, theres others of us sitting down with a piece of paper, a fountain pen and ink from a bottle, trying to set down our thoughts.

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  • Hi CatWoman, 

    Thank you for writing this post, I genuinely found this quite interesting. I certainly don't think that is just you.

    As we all know Autism isn't one flavour, and the way you're describing your thinking - long-form, non-linear, pattern-spotting, needing depth and space to work through ideas rather than quick exchanges, - is just as valid as any other cognitive style people bring here. If the general rhythm of the community has settled in a way that favours one type of processing over another, that's genuinely going to leave people out, even without anyone meaning to.

    Also, for what it's worth - this post is a great example of exactly the kind of contribution that's valuable here. It's not "too much," it's the depth some of us need space for.

    Please do not think that your contributions are not valued, on the contrary they are as important as any body else's within the community.

    All the best

  • Thank you for your replies, I wasn't trying to be critical of anyones expression of autism and definately not trying to say that one is more superior to another. I don't expect to relate to everyone, peoples interests are different and many people do things I cannot relate to at all. I think we all try and give helpful responses to problems or funny ones to more whimsical threads.

    To be honest I don't know what something geared towards me would look like, it wouldn't have emojis or text speak.

    The Audhd thing does seem to be a dominant type here, or maybe those are the people who post more? I don't know, it's not the fact that AUDHDer's are here and posting that bothers me, I just feel that those of us with less common profiles can feel a little excluded, especially in the digital realm. Whilst I agree that services for anyone with autism and especially adults are attrocious I have noticed that more and more rely on digital stuff and I've heard it said many times that 'everyone who's autistic are brilliant with computors' I know thats not true, anymore than everyone who's dyslexic is good at maths, but it seems to be a prevailing metanarative in the NT world and as they're pretty much in charge and hold the purse strings what they think is what we will get regardless.

    I supose for me I would like it if there were more people who inhabit liminal spaces, who see in shades of grey, I find black and white thinking really difficult to process its like being slapped in the face with a wet fish, I end up with a brain fart, not knowing what to say or feeling "shut up" by someones certainty that theres only one way to see things or experience the world and that to say otherwise could cause them to mentally explode with the power of an uncertainty. I don't want to inadvertantly give someone a melt down, because I don't just see a piece of material, but the warp and weft of the fabric too. 

  • My semi flippant comment above about the ills of social media ... I think there's a likely correlation between the interface (chats with themes and sequential comments, mostly texted on a phone) and the type of content. If I am interested in something I wanna read multiple books on it, research it, think on it deeply, intensely, and extensively. And to find anyone even vaguely interested at a level I don't find lonely and superficial... That's a dream for me. So, guess my point is that I connect with your initial thread, I feel a comparable pain from the nature of chats online, I very much doubt you're alone in finding it such. Is a related question perhaps 'how and where to build that sort of meaningful depth?'

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  • My semi flippant comment above about the ills of social media ... I think there's a likely correlation between the interface (chats with themes and sequential comments, mostly texted on a phone) and the type of content. If I am interested in something I wanna read multiple books on it, research it, think on it deeply, intensely, and extensively. And to find anyone even vaguely interested at a level I don't find lonely and superficial... That's a dream for me. So, guess my point is that I connect with your initial thread, I feel a comparable pain from the nature of chats online, I very much doubt you're alone in finding it such. Is a related question perhaps 'how and where to build that sort of meaningful depth?'

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