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My right of reply - and an explanation

Note: I sought and received moderation approval in advance for this post.

Due to some recent interactions, I had been considering leaving this community. Given that I struggle with rejection sensitivity, I thought it might first be a good idea to get objective feedback on the two conversations that led me to this point (regarding the "male menopause" and about dog training).

I asked an external AI (ChatGPT) to review them with a view to understanding whether my tone was reasonable and whether I should have handled things differently.

I’m sharing this not to reopen either debate, but to defend myself against various accusations, to be transparent, and to address any concerns that anyone might have had about my posts. 

I also hope - with genuine and kind intent - that the person who made those accusations will find the conclusions informative and helpful in guiding how they respond to posts (whether from me or others) in the future.

I deeply value constructive dialogue, especially in neurodivergent spaces, and hope this context is helpful in understanding the way that I always aim to engage here: honestly, respectfully, with evidence at the centre, and with clarity.

Results:

The AI's objective review focused on the evidence, communication styles, tone, and potential bias on both sides. It found that:

- “ In both threads, the information Bunny shared was accurate, supported by established sources (e.g., NHS, NICE, ABTC, RSPCA, PDSA, etc.), and reflective of current medical or scientific consensus.

- The other participant repeatedly misrepresented sources (including their own), ignored clear counter-evidence, and introduced gendered or politicised language (e.g., “old women,” “woke dog training”) that distracted from the issues.

- Bunny's tone was direct and occasionally firm, particularly when responding to repeated patterns of misrepresentation or deflection — but overall, it was found to be proportionate, evidence-based, and within reasonable boundaries.

Key takeaways from the review:

For Bunny:

- Bunny's responses were factually accurate and appropriately assertive.
- While a slightly softer tone might be more palatable to some, especially in emotionally charged discussions, Bunny is not obligated to cushion every correction — particularly when misinformation is repeated.
- Setting clear boundaries is both acceptable and, at times, necessary.

For xxxxxx:

- A pattern of cognitive rigidity was observed: not updating views when shown contradictory evidence.
- Use of anecdote over evidence, and the introduction of inflammatory labels (e.g., “misandry,” “woke”), made it harder to engage constructively.
- Greater willingness to engage with reliable sources, consider alternative views in good faith, and avoid personal assumptions would improve future discussions. "

DARVO

I also asked ChatGPT for an objective assessment of whether either or both of us engaged in using DARVO tactics. (One of the accusations made against me was that "DARVO attacks seem to be your tools in trade here").

For context, the AI first explained that:

" DARVO is an acronym that describes a common manipulation tactic often seen in interpersonal conflict:

- Deny the behaviour

- Attack the individual confronting the behaviour

- Reverse Victim and Offender

This pattern is used to deflect responsibility, avoid accountability, and reframe the person who raises a concern as the aggressor. 

It’s important to note: not all use of these tactics is intentional or malicious. Some people use DARVO reflexively when feeling criticised or threatened. "

Again, this is the AI's output (unedited, except for blanking out the other person's name):

“ An objective review was conducted by an external analyst (ChatGPT) of both forum conversations involving Bunny — one concerning the term "male menopause" and the other on "dog training methods." The purpose of the review was to assess whether either party (Bunny or xxxxxx) used DARVO tactics, and to evaluate the overall tone, fairness, and reasoning used by both.

The conclusion was clear: Bunny did not use DARVO tactics in either discussion. She remained focused on addressing factual claims, provided evidence from credible sources (e.g., NHS, NICE, PDSA), and avoided personal attacks or emotional manipulation. Her tone was assertive, but she did not deny her own behaviour, reverse roles, or attempt to portray herself as a victim.

In contrast, xxxxx’s responses demonstrated a recognisable DARVO pattern across both threads:

- Denial – He dismissed or reframed clear factual corrections, often continuing to assert points contradicted by mainstream sources.

- Attack – He questioned Bunny’s motives, suggesting misandry, ideological agendas, or condescension, rather than addressing the substance of her points.

- Reversal of Victim and Offender – He frequently portrayed himself as the wronged party while avoiding responsibility for his own misrepresentations or inflammatory framing.

The review noted that Bunny’s responses showed cognitive flexibility and a focus on clarity and accountability, even under pressure. She consistently challenged ideas rather than individuals, and did so using reasoned arguments rather than deflection or personal critique.

This message is not intended to inflame tensions or restart debate, but to provide clarity. Bunny sought neutral input to ensure that her contributions were fair and proportionate, and the analysis strongly supports that they were. "

Hopefully, this helps any readers of those threads to understand the nature of the exchanges more clearly.

  • I’m disappointed that your reply is exactly what the AI predicted any reply from you would be: more DARVO tactics.

    On the surface, it’s seemingly polite. But, for me, if that tone were genuine, it would have included an apology.

    In respect of the objection you raised, this particular AI analysis can be trusted.

    Wanting an entirely unbiased opinion, I ensured that the AI didn't know whether I was even involved in the conversations, let alone which person I might be.

    My questions were phrased neutrally, giving no indication of my feelings, beliefs, hopes, fears, expectations, or anything else.

    The AI’s conclusions were drawn solely from analysing the wording and sequence of our exchanges.

    Your reply reflects the “attack credibility” element of DARVO by challenging the messenger rather than the message. The “messenger” is the AI’s analysis, which you’ve sought to undermine by:

    • Warning against trusting AI to give unbiased advice.
    • Suggesting the tool is inherently flawed due to “confirmation bias by design.”
    • Redirecting the focus away from your behaviour, toward challenging the validity of the AI's analysis.

    Framing it alongside seemingly polite language helps to make your objection seem reasonable, while still avoiding engagement with the issues (taking no accountability, offering no apology). This aligns with the avoidance and credibility-challenging elements of DARVO.

    You’re continuing to bully me. Please stop now, and let this be the last of it. This should be a safe space for all of us.

  • Alpha means first - the leader (as in the first to eat, the one who leads the walking, the leader of training). I don't know what your assumptions are on the word but these are mine and how I wrote the post.

    Correct - I don't know everything and in fact have never claimed to. Where did this dig come from?

    Im also puzzled by your question about liking to "assume control". This has all sorts of connotations so please clarify because it comes across as sleazy.

  • I have made no assumptions about you.

    Research what Alpha means in this context. Not with a Google search.

    It's ok to admit you don't know everything about a subject.

    Do you like to "assume control"?

    For xxxxxx:

    - A pattern of cognitive rigidity was observed: not updating views when shown contradictory evidence.

    - Use of anecdote over evidence, and the introduction of inflammatory labels (e.g., “misandry,” “woke”), made it harder to engage constructively.

    - Greater willingness to engage with reliable sources, consider alternative views in good faith, and avoid personal assumptions would improve future discussions

    ........you are still doing it Grin

  • - I really would like everyone to stay here in the community.

    Additionally, as a community, I would really welcome it if; we could majority agree (and self-regulate accordingly - with rule amendment, algorithm update and Mod Team support too):

    - that the derogatory inference that people were / might be "Karen" / "Karens"

    ...ought to be deemed an * unacceptable term * for anyone to use in an inclusive support platform such as ours.

    There have been a couple of thread instances recently where I noticed these terms featured, one of which caused me to seriously consider leaving the community without any further comment to anyone.

    The terms have morphed through popular culture and social media to now imply something in various combinations of intent: sexist / ageist / racist / classist.

    In the real World; I have regularly had to personally navigate each of those prejudices / aspects of stigma / experienced their deployment in an attempt to coerce people to remain silent etc. (or I have advocated for others who experienced likewise) ...I surely ought not to accept: that I also have to tolerate those prejudices, via such an offensive term used, ...within a safe space community (where most members are Autistic, many members may have lived experience of mental health support and other members may also live their lives with other vulnerabilities too).

    The terms often invoke an effort to legitimise artificially promoting their target's: "other-ness", "lessor-ness" and "difference" - in my view Autistic people already know far too much about how that feels. 

    We must not inflict that upon each other here. 

    Please just don't do it.

  • You are simply reinforcing my opinion.

    I do not read into this what you seem to be.

    I talked about dogs being dominant to others in their pack - not how we should treat them. At no point did I suggest discipline or aggression to be used against them.

    Are you mistaking my talk of Alpha energy for aggression? This is about assuming control - you dictate when food is served to them, you take them on walks, you are the one to train them and reward them.

    I'm sorry to point this out but your assumption is wrong - I do not promote what you think I do.

  • I would like you to stay, it's a shame that you feel this way, I don't want anyone else to feel they have to leave either as I enjoy posts from both, although I admit to be a bit more able and willing to answer back. Maybe, Bunny, if you feel attacked you could try and channel me, LOL, it's fairly easy just add a few FF's to your reply then edit to stay within site rules.

  • Iain said:

    "IF you are giving of a fear response then the dog will treat you as a lesser pack member and try to assert dominance over you. This is how the pecking order is established in their world so it will help a lot if you can get over this.

    The others are right about getting the dog trained, but I think you will need to be trained as well. For effective ownership of a dog you need to be consistent, exhibit alpha energy and behaviour (in order to be seen as an authority figure) and read up on dog psychology as they are remarkably straightforward creatures to train and manage when you know how."

    You are simply reinforcing my opinion.

    The dominance theory, popularized in the 1930s, proposed that dogs, like wolves, are driven by a desire to be the "alpha" and will use aggression to achieve this status. This theory led to training methods that emphasized physical dominance and punishment to assert human "leadership".

  • I can recognise how misleading, and potentially dangerous for dogs, people regurgitating dominance theory can be.

    Curious you bring this up - I made no mention to dominance theory in any posts. 

  • Hi Bunny, 

    My feedback on the AI responses - they almost exactly reflect my opinion on the replies given by Iain to those posts. 

    Having a science based qualification in dog behaviour, I can recognise how misleading, and potentially dangerous for dogs, people regurgitating dominance theory can be. It is always frustrating to see, especially here.

    This means any posts offering advice by him (there are a lot) cannot be trusted, by myself, and should be ignored. These aren't the first inaccuracies/exaggerations that I have noted.

    My advice to Iain - using terms like "woke" and "karen" when directly meant as insults is not nice behaviour. Maybe learn from that.

    Bunny, I understand the RSD is gnawing at you (and also that Iain won't change) but you should stay and continue to fight your corner.

  • Thank you for explaining your views on this - it has been enlightening.

    I think you should stay as you are a valuable part of the community and in spite of our occassional disagreements I believe you to be a valuable contributer to helping others.

    One piece of advice, don't trust AI to give unbiassed advice. There is a significant degree of confirmational bias exhibited by AI by design.

    I worked in this field over the last 4 years and have seen this happen so often - there is an informed article on the subject here:

    https://mediate.com/ai-and-confirmation-bias/

    Please note I am not diminishing your opinions, just giving you a fuller picture of how much to safely trust the info it gives.

  • In the few months I have been here I havel not observed any problem with your posts. They seem helpful and accurate, which is what I judge you are aiming for.

    I don't think you need to justify yourself, but you do and that's fine :-)

    I would note though that some of people are a little ragged when posting and may not be thinking too straight. I include myself in that at the start.

    I don't know if it helps or not, but perhaps they may not always mean everything they say. They mean it at the time, or think they do. Arguing can also be due to over sensitivity, misunderstanding or just for distraction. Worrying about what to say online stops you worrying about real life.

    I think anything like this place may at times be hard.

  • So.sorry to hear that - hope you stay

  • Aw man, I hope you don’t leave. I find your inputs to be very helpful, especially when we have new people ask questions on here. But if you do feel you need to, I wish you the best and hope you come back soon!