Empathy

Does anyone else find it really difficult to figure out how much empathy they have, and what empathy even means?

I would like to think that I care about other people - I want to support my friends and family and make them feel happy, I have very strong moral and political convictions about how I should act based on what I believe is best for others, and I absolutely do not want to do anything to hurt anyone. However, often people seem to define empathy as the ability to accurately interpret people's emotions, which I think I (and probably many of you) often struggle with.

I find it very difficult in the moment to understand what people are thinking and feeling based on social cues, body language etc. For example, sometimes in conversation I can infodump about what I'm thinking about before realising that I should probably be asking the other person how they're doing. Sometimes I even do or say things that upset people and only realise this after the fact, but when I do become aware of it I feel devastated. I think in response to this I've developed the habit of worrying constantly about how I'm making other people feel, and I tend to be quite reserved and passive when I'm meeting people out of fear of getting things wrong, but this in turn can put a strain on relationships.

I've taken a couple of different online "empathy tests" and they give very contradictory results - Simon Baron-Cohen's "Empathy Quotient" test in particular gives me a low result "consistent with people on the autism spectrum" whereas other tests give me a fairly high score.

Does anyone else have similar experiences? If you have any advice about what you can do effectively to understand other people better then please let me know. I almost wish sometimes that people could say in simple terms "I am feeling abc and I would appreciate it if you did xyz for me" but I know this isn't always how people behave.

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  • There are different types of empathy - I experience emotional or affective empathy, which means I can sometimes feel the emotions of others, or their negative emotions can make me feel distressed. However this can make it difficult for autistic people to respond appropriately, as the emotions may cause a meltdown or shut down, or we might not feel comfortable giving someone a hug. Cognitive empathy is being able to understand what someone else is feeling, and as I understand it this doesn't make you feel their emotions, it enables people to be sympathetic while being able to offer support from an emotional "distance". We're not usually good at this.

    If I'm not sure what someone is thinking or feeling, I'll often just say "are you ok?"

  • This is so interesting. I didn’t know there were different types of empathy. I’ve always thought I have too much empathy and my resultant behaviours led to many people over the years saying ‘well, you can’t be autistic because you ‘have empathy’, which of course was not correct and set me back for many years in the sense that I didn’t really know myself as a result

  • EVERYTHING that you write here JD - is my experience too - and so, like you, I initially felt that I had been "set back" MANY years too......and this is a truism for you and me (and a significant tranche of autists)....but I have a follow-up word of caution for you based on my experience of becoming aware of these important facts about empathy.

    Firstly - just because I now know why I get so emotional if I see people in distress, it DOESN'T stop me from behaving emotionally in those instances.  I can't help it / myself.  Let's call it the 'tism at work....if we could control and manage it appropriately, then by definition, we WON'T have the 'tism.....we'd just be NT!

    Secondly - when I do get "so emotional" in those instance [and btw - emotions can be love or hate, comfort or intimidation, fight or flight etc] no amount of "lanyard" flashing, or "'tism card" presentation, or careful explanation of what&why I am behaving that way........WILL EVER HELP!

    Don't get me wrong here JD.....this isn't a post of negativity or disregard....because it is GLORIOUS to understand ourselves/oneself.....I am simply saying that it is important not to assign too much negative weight to the fact that we didn't previously "know."

    From a personal perspective on this.....now I do "know" this thing about me.....I am MORE prone to offering warning to those around me (although as we know.....I don't communicate very clearly!!) about what is likely to happen next if I see people in distress or hyper joy.....or any shade in between!

    The exchange here - between you and Lotus - helps to boost my dwindling faith that this place can still be invaluable to ALL autists.......with those little sparks of  human-to-human connection.....that help us to UNDERSTAND rather than try to SOLVE each others challenges.

    Thank you for making me happier, this evening - to you both.

  • I'm delighted mate!  Fyi......another member here, did for me, what you have done for JD here.  There then followed (for me) days, hours and months of research + self observation and monitoring and reflection on my many decades of prior conscious existence.

    I think that "we" autists are at our best if we can be left to organically interact and share whatever arises between us.  I'm not saying that there isn't a place for "advice" and "guidance" for people who actively seek it......but I think that (perhaps) the greatest utility provided by this place (a COMMUNITY forum)  is when it is left fallow.....to see what grows?!

    It is rare to have a place, just to "be" without anyone trying to push or set agendas or acting with a zealous intensity?

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  • I'm delighted mate!  Fyi......another member here, did for me, what you have done for JD here.  There then followed (for me) days, hours and months of research + self observation and monitoring and reflection on my many decades of prior conscious existence.

    I think that "we" autists are at our best if we can be left to organically interact and share whatever arises between us.  I'm not saying that there isn't a place for "advice" and "guidance" for people who actively seek it......but I think that (perhaps) the greatest utility provided by this place (a COMMUNITY forum)  is when it is left fallow.....to see what grows?!

    It is rare to have a place, just to "be" without anyone trying to push or set agendas or acting with a zealous intensity?

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