Where's the line between my partner being abusive and being autistic?

He throws huge fits (crying, screaming, punching things, throwing himself on the floor, shaking), even though I've told him repeatedly that they make me feel unsafe in my own home. I cannot eat around him. I can't relax around him. He makes me so anxious because I never know what is going to cause another fit. One sure way to get him to throw a fit is to tell him he's hurt my feelings. If I tell him something has hurt me, I don't get to be comforted. I get to watch him despair. If it were anyone else, I would say it was abusive. But, how does his autism play into this? What can I expect out of him? We moved from Spain to Germany where noise complaints could get us kicked out of our apartment and could make me lose my job (My boss gave us the apartment. It comes with my job. If she finds out we've gotten a noise complaint, she's going to fire me.). I've explained to him how this is emotionally abusive and could turn into economic abuse if he makes me lose my job. 

It's not just the fits, though. I made an account and posted here for the first time because, this morning, he asked about a new coffee cup in our kitchen. 

I said: "It was a Christmas gift from my bosses. I like it. Look, the font is special because it was created by a Dutch artist..." [I see him losing interest, so I cut it short.] "Anyway, I think it's cute. I was telling you I wanted a cute coffee cup and now I have one." 

He said: "Hmm. I won't tell you what I think about it." 

I know it's stupid and small, but it sent me over the edge. 

I can understand being flooded with shame, especially because he was raised by a narcissist and he's autistic. He's reading books about CPTSD, Anger management, DBT, narcissistic parents. He said he'll go to therapy soon for all of this. 

I cannot understand being mean about a gift someone received. Like, I cannot even imagine myself saying something like this to an enemy. 

This morning, I had to buy a 600 euro bed to put in our living room because he thrashes when he sleeps. I told him he could stay in the nice, big bed in the bedroom. I would take the new twin bed in the living room. Over the holidays, we slept in separate beds for almost three weeks for one reason or another and it's the first consistent sleep I've had in years. The last two nights, we tried sleeping in the same bed again and he kept me awake both nights. This morning, he woke me up at 4:30 in the morning. I'm perimenopausal. Sleep is so precious to me and absolutely required, as I'm the only one working and I'm a very physically active nanny for two children. He got really mopey and I had to comfort him again...after he kept me up all night and I had to buy a new bed. I also had to have the bed delivered to the house because I knew if I asked him to go with me to IKEA that it would turn into an argument. Or, he would say he didn't have time to go. 

What is going on in my home?  

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  • What does it matter what happens and why? Get rid of him and quickly. The problem is not with you and there is no reason in the world, no matter what, to suffer because of a relationship.

  • there is no reason in the world, no matter what, to suffer because of a relationship.

    You don't know the full story here - none of us do and this statement could actually lead to a death.

    IF (not an unrealistic stretch I feel) the male partner is unemplyed and unable to hold a job, living at home while the OP is the breadwinner and she takes your advice to kick him out then what happens next for him?

    If there is no support network for him then he ends up on the streets, already struggling with his mental health and quite probably going to find himself in a situaiton where he ends up in prison (Germany is not very tolerant of the homless or people with mental health issues.

    Even if he avoids prison then his violent behaviours could well end up with him involved in street fights or worse where if he isn't killed then his chances of taking his own life have jumped probably thousands of percent.

    Does the OP need to be a saint and just tolerate it? Absolutely not, but if the consequences are homelessness for the partner then a better thought our separation plan is probably needed at worst or - if his symptoms all stem from his autism - then professional help at best.

    These situations can be many faceted and we do not know if the OP is telling the whole story either - there could be a load of abuse we are not aware of (I'm not suggesting there is, this is just to illustrate the point).

    I get where you are coming from here but life is rarely as clear cut as would suit this solution.

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  • there is no reason in the world, no matter what, to suffer because of a relationship.

    You don't know the full story here - none of us do and this statement could actually lead to a death.

    IF (not an unrealistic stretch I feel) the male partner is unemplyed and unable to hold a job, living at home while the OP is the breadwinner and she takes your advice to kick him out then what happens next for him?

    If there is no support network for him then he ends up on the streets, already struggling with his mental health and quite probably going to find himself in a situaiton where he ends up in prison (Germany is not very tolerant of the homless or people with mental health issues.

    Even if he avoids prison then his violent behaviours could well end up with him involved in street fights or worse where if he isn't killed then his chances of taking his own life have jumped probably thousands of percent.

    Does the OP need to be a saint and just tolerate it? Absolutely not, but if the consequences are homelessness for the partner then a better thought our separation plan is probably needed at worst or - if his symptoms all stem from his autism - then professional help at best.

    These situations can be many faceted and we do not know if the OP is telling the whole story either - there could be a load of abuse we are not aware of (I'm not suggesting there is, this is just to illustrate the point).

    I get where you are coming from here but life is rarely as clear cut as would suit this solution.

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  • You don't know the story either. And yet you choose to sacrifice someone who, in her distress, turned to help.

    I choose nothing - precisely because it is not my place to do so.

    All I can do is offer some undertanding to the poster and answer their questions based on what info they gave.

    We don't know if she is also dishing out abuse (I hope not but she does talk about how she has found easy & reliable ways to trigger him) or if she is making this up for attention etc.

    One thing I have learned from speaking to people on the internet in the last 3 decades is that you cannot take things at face value.

    Would you give similar advice to your daughter?

    Probably, but I would provide additional safeguards for her too and an escape plan if she needs out.

    I have zero right to interfere in their relationship when she seems quite capable of making her own decisions. At best I would say "in your shoes I would do..."

    You seem much more judgemental:

    Get rid of him and quickly.

    Yet for all we know the partner is a vulnerable individual whose autistic traits are being portrayed as abuse (just pointing out we do not know the facts) and in fact they are the ones who need the most immediate support to save them.

    My heart goes out the the OP as I like to believe them but my advice must be tempered with the fact I have a partial picture, don't know the people and it isn't my place to make a decision for them.

  • I don't need to know what his story is and what will happen to him. I know that the partner is a partner and not his mother. She describes suffering, even abuse. Which probably continues for reasons like you wrote - that's completely wrong.
    You don't know the story either. And yet you choose to sacrifice someone who, in her distress, turned to help.
    All this just because he's probably autistic. As if it's a magic word that obliges other people to bear responsibility or causes blindness that confuses good and evil.

    Would you give similar advice to your daughter?