Reform UK Deputy Leader wants to scrap the Equality Act

I'm more than a little frustrated and disillusioned . On  one hand you had the tactically inept pro Corbyn left who put ideology above doing what's needed to win an election . Labour as a perpetual protest party. Now we have a Starmer led Labour trying to out Tory the Tories on welfare. Both in their different ways weren't/aren't getting it right. I want a radical but sensibly pragmatic Labour government. I sure as sure can be don't want one that sees being hard hearted towards the disabled and/or vulnerable as a political virtue.

Harold Wilson said that the Labour Party needs two wings to fly.  But today's Labour is ridden with factions hell bent on destroying each other.  Starmer has done everything possible to alienate some in Labour ,so it would be naive for him to turn around and ask for their support.  So at the moment he is attempting to fly the party with only one wing.

There are those on those on the Corbyn left who deliberately chose to behave in  a way that would see them kicked out of the party. They then used that thoroughly dishonestly to say that Starmer was hell bent on kicking socialists out of Labour. That he was destroying party  unity.

I find the whoie class thing confusing and increasingly irrelevant, my parents were working class, ordinary people who owned their own home, for them getting a mortgage was a struggle, my mums wages didn't count and my dads boss had to write a letter saying that there was permanent overtime available. I have a skilled trade as a hairdresser, but also a degree and now I'm on disability benefits, what does that make me?

I didn't trust Corbyn, or more specifically I didn't trust John McDonal, he seemed to be the one promoting Corbyn as Magic Grandpa the most. Having been around in the 70's and 80's, there was no way I wanted a return to that sort of strife, nor did I want to be told where I could live, seeing as with their inheritance tax reforms I wouildn't have been left with enough money to afford anywhere of my own and I didn't want 'Jeremy to build me a house'.

I also didn't trust the power the unions had over Corbyn, to me many unions are stuck in the past, I wondered how long it would be before womens rights were rolled back and we were shoved back into the home and into caring roles, so as men could have the "dignity of work". I know unions have cahnged a lot over the last 30 years, but I still remember them as being hostile to women, happy to use us to rattle tins to support striking miners, but then to go back home.

I think Labour have a long and painful road ahead of them, rebuilding our country will take as much effort and expense as it did after WW2, so many schools and hospitals need rebuilding, so much infrastructure. I think people want good public services and many are willing to pay for them, but they also want the freedom to choose how to spend thier money.

firemonkey said:

I'm not at all pleased with Labour's stance on  welfare.

Labour as it exists now is just a more moderate version of the Tories and have been since the days of Tony Blair.

Why? Because the socialists represent a part of societ that is dwindeling slowly away to nothing as more and more move into the "middle classes" and share aspirations that are more capitalist than socialist.

I really don't think there will ever be a socialist party in power again as they are just no longer relevant to the vast majority of the electorate.

In the meantime Labour continue to wave the red flag of history to gain the few votes that are available from this and we slowly move into a phase of medium right to slightly more medium right parties who alternate holding power as they have done for all of this century.

firemonkey said:

I'm not at all pleased with Labour's stance on  welfare.

Labour as it exists now is just a more moderate version of the Tories and have been since the days of Tony Blair.

Why? Because the socialists represent a part of societ that is dwindeling slowly away to nothing as more and more move into the "middle classes" and share aspirations that are more capitalist than socialist.

I really don't think there will ever be a socialist party in power again as they are just no longer relevant to the vast majority of the electorate.

In the meantime Labour continue to wave the red flag of history to gain the few votes that are available from this and we slowly move into a phase of medium right to slightly more medium right parties who alternate holding power as they have done for all of this century.

I find the whoie class thing confusing and increasingly irrelevant, my parents were working class, ordinary people who owned their own home, for them getting a mortgage was a struggle, my mums wages didn't count and my dads boss had to write a letter saying that there was permanent overtime available. I have a skilled trade as a hairdresser, but also a degree and now I'm on disability benefits, what does that make me?

I didn't trust Corbyn, or more specifically I didn't trust John McDonal, he seemed to be the one promoting Corbyn as Magic Grandpa the most. Having been around in the 70's and 80's, there was no way I wanted a return to that sort of strife, nor did I want to be told where I could live, seeing as with their inheritance tax reforms I wouildn't have been left with enough money to afford anywhere of my own and I didn't want 'Jeremy to build me a house'.

I also didn't trust the power the unions had over Corbyn, to me many unions are stuck in the past, I wondered how long it would be before womens rights were rolled back and we were shoved back into the home and into caring roles, so as men could have the "dignity of work". I know unions have cahnged a lot over the last 30 years, but I still remember them as being hostile to women, happy to use us to rattle tins to support striking miners, but then to go back home.

I think Labour have a long and painful road ahead of them, rebuilding our country will take as much effort and expense as it did after WW2, so many schools and hospitals need rebuilding, so much infrastructure. I think people want good public services and many are willing to pay for them, but they also want the freedom to choose how to spend thier money.