Life is hard

Perhaps we are meant to paddle our own canoe, and become proactive; rather than reactive.

I weaned myself off overdependence, over the years. It isn't easy, but the rewards are there.

Desmond79 said:

I weaned myself off overdependence, over the years. It isn't easy, but the rewards are there.

I learned at an early age to stand on my own two feet with a firm handshake. This nanny state we are in  rankles me owing to the creation of generations growing up with the expectation the state owes them a living well beyond the needs of the needy. Taking responsibility for one's actions IS rewarding.

NAS86592 said:

This nanny state we are in  rankles me owing to the creation of generations growing up with the expectation the state owes them a living well beyond the needs of the needy.

I've noticed there have been a lot of posts on the site recently where people want more support from the state  - do you think this is justified?

If not, how do you think those of limited financial independence can get to the level of self realisation that you have?

An honest question - I'm in favour of taking control too but it seems to be very difficult for many people.

I think your initial premise is very relevant to this forum.

Are we Autists going to be a productive, leading, upstanding part of society, or are we going to present as  "disabled whiny losers"?

A few of us here actually are productive and helpful towards the others but a distressing number of our posts, are just needy and truculent in their nature revealing what used to be called (correctly IMHO) a "lack of moral fibre", which for some inexplicable reason is an attitude that has been gainiing ground across our society for fifty years or more now. 

I don't see the overall gains either in standard of living OR quality of life yet... Do you?

I hoped that we Autists would use our "social isolation" to obtain a point of view that is more reality based rather than derived from social programming, and perhaps band together to create a vision of a new world (dis) order based on rational and good natured thinking, but then I came here and realised that I was under an illusion, it was fantastic thinking, we aren't empowered as a group by our social isolation at all...   

Try not to guage my view in the context of the present economic situation we are currently in. My overview of the UK dates back to my initial observations since 1971 when I first landed on these shores as a young man..

I have witnessed many many years of a deterioration of self reliance in general terms both here and across the pond.  In answer to your question:

Iain said:

how do you think those of limited financial independence can get to the level of self realisation that you have?

I come from a Capitalist society where everyone is NOT equal, and to follow socialisms economic banalities is likely one of many other socioeconomic reasons leading up to the financial plight we are currently in---we are broke. Limited financial independence is a global fact of life.  Living within one's means is a very basic understanding of taking control for those of us who are not the needy in need. But this really is not the platform for such discussion.

To be very simplistic then:

You resent ONE group of people and he resents another group of people, so how will this resentment bring about positive change for all?

To put it even more simplistically, a society of people who are motivated to take care of their own needs, and when they produce a surplus, can trade for their wants, is more likely to survive than a society where everyone just takes from the common pot, until it's empty with no effort being put into production.because that is "someone else's problem".

The question is not "who's right" (that'd be too simple, the answer would be "me of course!") but "How do we make this work better for all?"

In my opinion this question has been worked for thousands of years, we just started to get a bit of an idea, then the devils minions messed it all up...

I may well be wrong however, but logic dictates either 50% or 100% of any two people who have different opinions HAVE to be wrong otherwise there can be no rational argument. And if I happen to be correct in my opinion, it goes against what most of the rest of you seem believe, and will be ignored, so it has little perceived value really...

I'm O.K. with that, until people start using force to prosecute their opinions that differ from my own...

To be very simplistic then:

You resent ONE group of people and he resents another group of people, so how will this resentment bring about positive change for all?

To put it even more simplistically, a society of people who are motivated to take care of their own needs, and when they produce a surplus, can trade for their wants, is more likely to survive than a society where everyone just takes from the common pot, until it's empty with no effort being put into production.because that is "someone else's problem".

The question is not "who's right" (that'd be too simple, the answer would be "me of course!") but "How do we make this work better for all?"

In my opinion this question has been worked for thousands of years, we just started to get a bit of an idea, then the devils minions messed it all up...

I may well be wrong however, but logic dictates either 50% or 100% of any two people who have different opinions HAVE to be wrong otherwise there can be no rational argument. And if I happen to be correct in my opinion, it goes against what most of the rest of you seem believe, and will be ignored, so it has little perceived value really...

I'm O.K. with that, until people start using force to prosecute their opinions that differ from my own...