Pronouns Understanding

It's literally just people saying 'actually could you please refer to me with these pronouns instead of those ones' like they might say 'oh I usually go by Bob rather than Robert'. Nobody's stopping you from continuing to use the wrong words to describe somebody, they just hope that you won't because it's unnecessarily confrontational to be like 'well I don't agree with your own perception of yourself so I'm going to ignore your wishes'.

Even names can be used in the place of pronouns.

Hi Kittera, I use people's first names when I'm talking to them. If someone looks like a man, I'll use masculine pronouns automatically. If someone looks like a woman, I'll use feminine pronouns.

However, if I talk to a man and he tells me he's a woman and wants me to use feminine pronouns for him, or a woman who wants me to use masculine pronouns, I'll try to remember and use the right ones.

I've only ever met one man who dressed in women's clothing and used a woman's name. It was a struggle for me because he looked very much like a man, dressed as a woman. I just made sure I used his female name to avoid any confusion.

If people ask me for my pronouns when we first meet, I usually ignore the question.

the thing is we dont tell kids they are wrong... we just take it as kids roleplay and ignore it and they grow up and leave it behind as they grow up anyway.. .as i said... i dont make my identity today a power ranger despite pretending to be one and roleplay one as a kid.... my parents didnt tell me im not a power ranger, they know it was roleplay, a kids imagination and game...

now you, you take that and take it seriously and think thats their gender? thats the issue at hand here.... then you try convince the kid and affirm its something more, like their gender, and that confuses them and brainwashes them no? .... im glad im not born these days, as id have been convinced i was a power ranger and be running around in spandex right now!

I'm just not sure how saying "okay" when a child tells you they're a boy/girl/cat, rather than telling them they're wrong, is "ruining their life." Either they'll grow out of it or they won't. You're not a bad mother, Carla, because you let them come to that realisation in their own time rather than beating them into it now.

another thing too, is cat a gender?

i think a big part of the problem here is you all fell for a 4chan joke that claimed you can identify as anything and make it a gender... that was a mockery and i dont think it should be enabled and made into reality and instead just recognised as a mockery and ignored.

if cat is a gender then we need to re-evaluate things, as by definition cat is not a gender, it is another living creature with distinct features that we recognise as a cat.

yet you ignored everything i said because its reasonable and you likely agreed with it and you instead dont want that and want to "win" a opposing view instead of be in a reasonable discussion?.... im not sure but that maybe refered to as arguing in bad faith, id have to google that term but from what i deduce from the convo that may fit that term.

But Madam, why are you also talking about surgeries? No young person under 18 can get gender-affirming surgery in the UK, whether NHS or private.

they said a young kid. a kid pretending to be a cat, so it is likely around younger than highschool age, in primary school we all still played imaginative role play.

imagine taking that and claiming its a gender or them identifying as something though... as i said, that would make me forever a power ranger? .... kids grow up, they stop playing kid games and pretend. they dont know at first, they are too young to know about all this sexual stuff your pushing onto them.... infact even high school age is still too young even for that as i remember other kids being over sexualised at high school refering to sexual stuff and i was clueless. i didnt know what they meant by balls dropped lol i was thinking of literal ball like marbles or football they have dropped somewhere... you see kids are too young for this, and pushing it onto them is actually a form of bullying as they get bullied by their peers over this stuff and their not keeping up with sexual weird vulgar stuff that they are actually too uncomfortable to want to be in with.

but we never actually had to tell anyone how we wanted to be referred to before. thats the difference.

why do we have to now? ... before we just didnt care and allowed people to speak how they want to speak in their own way. hell people called each other "dude" even called women "dude" despite "dude" being a male sounding thing... no one cared. people use language how they want, their own language is their own personal thing, their own personal property. they own their own tongue, their own voice.

at one point the hyper left wing radical saying was "dont tell me what to do" or say... or think... and yet now we have a complete turn around in which we have a new force claiming to be left wing trying to dictate how you use your own voice, how to speak, how to think. it is getting a bit oppressive and against human rights now.

When you say "at that age," what kind of age are you imagining, ma'am?

yes we all use them naturally.... but yet we dont focus on them and make them special... thats just... strange... its like trying to highlight everytime you use... i dont know, maybe "the" and make a religion out of the use of the word "the" because its used so many times in every sentence that people begin to worship it as a god and make it into some sort of cult word. its just plain weird lol the word exists, we use it... its not special, theres no reason to worship it or make a cult out of it.

then imagine, you take your kids roleplay and imaginative play.... you see them pretending to be a cat... then you confused them and made them think thats their pronoun or gender and their identity, when the kid doesnt know what any of that means and is just pretending to be a cat and playing for all it knows as we all did... then you take that and then force surgery onto them to surgically give them cat appearance...thinking they wanted that and they identified as that forever... instead of it just being a temporary kid playing a imaginative game... you the ruined the kids entire life over their mindless imaginative kid game, kids being kids that you a adult took too far and then interfered with and gave them surgery over... its child cruelty and these people shouldnt be allowed anywhere near kids nor should they be allowed any guardianship or responsibly over kids if they make these decisions for them without realising it is just regular imaginative roleplay at that age

i think you got it down pretty well tbh.

the woke stuff is like a cult as you said... i often describe it as a religion, you got the thinking they are sinners thing down right, and thats why i call it a new religion. and we have made the mistake of religion before and i think were making it all over again in this form and it will result in persecution and dark ages and deaths and witch hunts.

as for the kid identifying as a cat... that shows they are too young to understand the topic. they failed to understand what gender is, and instead wanted to play make believe like a kid does and wanted to roleplay a cat.... we all did this, it was just role play, it never was gender or a pronoun until this invasive ideology came in and inserted itself and claimed that a kids playful imagination and roleplaying was them picking a gender... it never was.... otherwise my gender would have been a power ranger... or a pokemon...

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Have NT's or Trans people taken this use of preferred pronouns from people with ASD and made it their own ?

No, 'preferred pronouns' is just a way of saying 'how this person wants to be referred to', so it's something that can apply to anybody. There's a lot more gender diversity among autistic people than NT people but saying (for example) "please use 'they' and 'them' when referring to me" doesn't belong to just one group of people.

As Glitter says, we all use pronouns all the time. They're just a part of how language works.

When someone changes the pronouns they use, or starts to use 'they' (or a neopronoun like ze or xe) instead of 'he' or 'she' it's no different to changing their name in terms of the expectations for others. They're just asking to be addressed politely in the way that they feel is correct, just like someone who goes by a nickname or changed their surname and title when they got married.

It's not as big of a deal as many people make it out to be- at least, it shouldn't be. The respectful thing to do is to use the form of address that is correct for that individual.

I think you seem to have misunderstood what pronouns actually are.  Any word that you use in place of a name is a pronoun. Pronouns include:

• I, me, my
• You, your
• He, his, him
• She, her
• We, us, our
• They, them, their 

We use these words all the time. They are not dangerous. You yourself have used them in what you wrote. I'm using them right now!

The confusion comes because our society treats people differently depending on what's between their legs.  We have some words that are commonly used for those with an "innie" and other words for people with an "outie." When somebody says "hey, I don't want to have my whole existence defined by what's between my legs" and asks to use terms that make them feel happy instead of terms that make them feel upset, others get confused and upset about it because they want to keep the innies and the outies separate. 

Most of this desire to keep things seperate comes from the way that these body parts fit together to make babies and give pleasure. Our society has believed for a long time that baby making is acceptable, but not widely talked about, but there is still a lot of shame and control about non-baby making activities. People with outies have historically held a lot of control over people with innies, and are very uncomfortable with the idea of two outies enjoying this particular kind of pleasure together.  

Because of this history of control, some people with innies make assumptions about people with outies, and this leads to fear in some cases. They associate their suffering with the outie instead of with the character of the person who caused it.  This leads to a panic about letting anyone with an outie near them at points when they feel vulnerable, regardless of that person's character or any of their other attributes. So the people with innies think they can protect themselves better by segregating and upholding this divide.

In fact, it's much more effective for all kinds of people to look after and support each other, and focus on the things that make us the same instead of the things that make us different. 

In regard to the story about the child who thinks they're a cat, that sounds like a story that got out of hand.  (Cat is also a noun not a pronoun.)  As I work with children, I can reassure you that they often play games of pretending to be all sorts of things, but they don't believe it to be literally true.  There's an autistic girl in my class who often says that she's a cat because it helps her to feel safe and loved.

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Is this satire? It feels like you're parodying a rightwing "old man shouts at clouds" type of person, but I'm not sure