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i think you got it down pretty well tbh.

the woke stuff is like a cult as you said... i often describe it as a religion, you got the thinking they are sinners thing down right, and thats why i call it a new religion. and we have made the mistake of religion before and i think were making it all over again in this form and it will result in persecution and dark ages and deaths and witch hunts.

as for the kid identifying as a cat... that shows they are too young to understand the topic. they failed to understand what gender is, and instead wanted to play make believe like a kid does and wanted to roleplay a cat.... we all did this, it was just role play, it never was gender or a pronoun until this invasive ideology came in and inserted itself and claimed that a kids playful imagination and roleplaying was them picking a gender... it never was.... otherwise my gender would have been a power ranger... or a pokemon...

then imagine, you take your kids roleplay and imaginative play.... you see them pretending to be a cat... then you confused them and made them think thats their pronoun or gender and their identity, when the kid doesnt know what any of that means and is just pretending to be a cat and playing for all it knows as we all did... then you take that and then force surgery onto them to surgically give them cat appearance...thinking they wanted that and they identified as that forever... instead of it just being a temporary kid playing a imaginative game... you the ruined the kids entire life over their mindless imaginative kid game, kids being kids that you a adult took too far and then interfered with and gave them surgery over... its child cruelty and these people shouldnt be allowed anywhere near kids nor should they be allowed any guardianship or responsibly over kids if they make these decisions for them without realising it is just regular imaginative roleplay at that age

When you say "at that age," what kind of age are you imagining, ma'am?

Yh honestly it could be good for you to go back, get your GCSEs up to Cs and then get into a course (maybe vocational even) in something you are interested in, special interests become strengths in further education, then use it as a spring board to find work in that field if you want. If you (the royal you) are unemployed or low income  rn they also do a means based thing to reduce fees, sometimes you can get teh gov to pay for them in special circumstances, or apply for student finance which you don't have to pay back if you never earn over a threshold anyway, and even if you do earn more you'll only pay a percentage back that will be written off once you hit retirement age anyway.

well at first i isolated myself from the world, i had no motivatin to do anything. although i took up fitness and martial arts later on in my mid 20s and from there i guess developed a no quitting mindset of self development. and now after the covid crap i managed to get a job and a flat that i own and now have a independent life on my own and am seemingly all set now. so it all worked out in the end. 

but i could probably redo my gcse's then as my grades really sucked as at the end point of high school i was already into no motivation and a really strong giving up quitter mindset which just made me throw my gcse's and not be bothered by them. tbh given i spent like 16 years not working due to it i guess society owes me reparations of 16 years of lost income and career progression too thinking on that lol

Sounds like we went to the same school honestly.

I'll just throw this out there then in case you weren't already aware of it, but if your gcse grades suffered any because of the bullying you can enrol to retake them with colleges as an adult if you want, it's a much better experience going back as a mature student because everyone in the class wants to be there.

Caelus said:

but it hit me that no one cares and people wanted me to die,

So did you do the same thing I did after that? Because it hardened me, I became beligerant to go on and have a good life regardless of them.

aye we have more autonomy and freedom as adults though, if i were free to chose in high school id have stayed out of high school and my experiences there probably part influenced me to shut myself in my room for years after it when i left high school and decided to do nothing at all.

and yeah highschool kids likely would murder people in their bullying, happens all the time. i remember someone at my highschool got set on fire with deodrant and a lighter not as part of targeted bullying against them... but just chav kids "having a laugh" their laugh is to set people on fire, and thats not even a targeted effort bullying thats just a random laugh to them.

i think i became numb to physical stuff so physical stuff didnt bother me much, but yet my thoughts and emotions were perhaps most vulnerable so the thoughts of what others do and say kinda hurt me more than any physical attack. such as when someone told me to die in a ditch when i was in class and everyone just laughed, my mind wasnt ready or stable enough for that and perhaps did want to die in a ditch, but it hit me that no one cares and people wanted me to die, that hit my thoughts and emotions stronger than any punch could.

I realise you were typing the same time I was adding additional context, so take a moment to reread my reply. I'm sorry you were bullied I really am, but you were not the only one, and I'm sure you are aware in many regards people still try (with various degress of success and failure) to bully us as adults because of these things that make us intrinsically us.

depends on the circumstance...

for your own protection? .... yes... if your in a environment or situation where revealing that can cause danger, then you need to protect yourself. kinda like how the muslims have a thing where they are allowed to lie and claim they are not muslims and seemingly abandon their faith in order to protect themselves. and how the jewish would have had to hide that they are jews from germans in order to protect themselves and couldnt be open about it in the 30s.

but in a safe place, you should be yourself and be open.

you probably are in a safe space now, as am i, as every adult should hopefully be. so we can all be ourselves now... but in high school that was one place that wasnt safe. so clearing high school is certainly the first step before anyone can truly become their true selves. 

its all about personal safety in my mind. and it is societies and others fault, but you need to be aware of the dangers of others and be able to avoid them. shouldnt have to do but thats just the way society is. lucky for us the danger often is only high school and passes.... this danger is due to the fact we are all forced into high school without a choice. high school should perhaps be a option that we can choose not to go to then. in which case like i said home schooling or private schooling or some other alternate is required. most of which is inaccessible to working class families at the moment.

🐝 Bees 🐝 (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs said:

would you seriously suggest I should also have hid my autistic self in the closet if I could? Rather than accepting myself.

You haven't answered this.

🐝 Bees 🐝 (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs said:

they might as well just be happy with being themselves, they'll be picked on regardless.

And none of that makes my above statement less true.

Also

Caelus said:

i suppose it maybe ok in better schools, but in the school i went to you really dont want to give them anything like this trans stuff to attack you on as it will result in 5 years of torture both physical and mental.

they already did this, anyway. Because I'm autistic, it couldn't have got worse if I came out, I was already being assaulted and sexually assaulted as an autist. How could tehy have amped it up? Literal murder? (edit: scratch that, I think they tried when they pushed me out into the road whilst I was walking home)

If I knew then, what I knew now I would have just come out sooner because they couldn't have done anything to me that they weren't already.

that is true, and thats what im on about. highschool is that age where kids pick on others most, for nothing at all, for slight differences... and for males that picking on can be very violent and physical and harmful

you dont really want to give those kids more fuel. i suppose it maybe ok in better schools, but in the school i went to you really dont want to give them anything like this trans stuff to attack you on as it will result in 5 years of torture both physical and mental. at that point your better off private or home schooling. we just dont live in a perfect world, high school will always be this way. we need a alternative to high school in this case i think as it doesnt work.

the bullies were over sexualised and sexual focused, so adding a sexual thing, especially a sexual deviance... that is danger fuel for high school. i got bullied alot myself because i wasnt vulgar and didnt know any sexual stuff and didnt want to speak about peoples private parts which i naturally want to stay private and not speak of because thats weird, but that was enough for me to be bullied. having a high pitched voice that didnt break as soon as others was enough too...you really dont want bullies to have any of this sexual ammunition as they are brutal with it.

That was actually the opposite of my experience of high school. It was an opportunity for me to be myself outside of my family and felt like a really safe space. Perhaps in the olden days it wasn't so great, and I'm sorry you went through that, honey

That ignores the fact that kids will pick on other kids just for liking a different sticker set/whatever interset or fashion etc than them, they might as well just be happy with being themselves, they'll be picked on regardless.

Because that part of me was so closeted in school it went undetected, and yet, being autistic I was bullied anyway, would you seriously suggest I should also have hid my autistic self in the closet if I could? Rather than accepting myself.

aye it is fine, the kid is in control of its own life and should do what it wants... without any influence from anyone pushing things on them or confusing them. they should make their own way. just everyone should stop trying to change how everyone else is, how others speak and dictate how we use our language. that is kinda when you interfere on someone elses own life and freedoms the same way as trying to push things on a kid you shouldnt push language on a random adult. the adult can accept or take any language in their own time, such as if i decided to go out of my way to learn french, that ok so long as no ones forcing you to learn and use french! lol

the kid also needs to understand consequences and how society reacts to them though.... high school is brutal, i think everyone here can agree on that... so any personal large life style changes should be done once high school is complete right? to avoid it becoming really bad and miserable, as it is already very bad as it is for anyone without adding more deviation and fuel for the cretins in high school... to protect a kid, the kid needs to understand that high school is a very bad time to be yourself and is a aweful environment and things should wait until after high school because high school there is no acceptance for anything there and the other kids are vicious. its a self protective thing to know.

Fun fact everyone was a girl once, thanks to the magic of fetal development. XD

It sounds like you're a good mum, following the same approach as the parents of the trans kids I know. No one is saying "you said you were a girl once when you were four so now you must have this surgery!" They're simply saying "okay that's fine" when the kid says "I want you to call me Rosie rather than Rob" or "I want to wear the skirt rather than the shorts." If 5 years later the kids doesn't want to wear a skirt any more, that's fine!

It sounds like you're a good mum, following the same approach as the parents of the trans kids I know. No one is saying "you said you were a girl once when you were four so now you must have this surgery!" They're simply saying "okay that's fine" when the kid says "I want you to call me Rosie rather than Rob" or "I want to wear the skirt rather than the shorts." If 5 years later the kids doesn't want to wear a skirt any more, that's fine!

Yh honestly it could be good for you to go back, get your GCSEs up to Cs and then get into a course (maybe vocational even) in something you are interested in, special interests become strengths in further education, then use it as a spring board to find work in that field if you want. If you (the royal you) are unemployed or low income  rn they also do a means based thing to reduce fees, sometimes you can get teh gov to pay for them in special circumstances, or apply for student finance which you don't have to pay back if you never earn over a threshold anyway, and even if you do earn more you'll only pay a percentage back that will be written off once you hit retirement age anyway.

well at first i isolated myself from the world, i had no motivatin to do anything. although i took up fitness and martial arts later on in my mid 20s and from there i guess developed a no quitting mindset of self development. and now after the covid crap i managed to get a job and a flat that i own and now have a independent life on my own and am seemingly all set now. so it all worked out in the end. 

but i could probably redo my gcse's then as my grades really sucked as at the end point of high school i was already into no motivation and a really strong giving up quitter mindset which just made me throw my gcse's and not be bothered by them. tbh given i spent like 16 years not working due to it i guess society owes me reparations of 16 years of lost income and career progression too thinking on that lol

Sounds like we went to the same school honestly.

I'll just throw this out there then in case you weren't already aware of it, but if your gcse grades suffered any because of the bullying you can enrol to retake them with colleges as an adult if you want, it's a much better experience going back as a mature student because everyone in the class wants to be there.

Caelus said:

but it hit me that no one cares and people wanted me to die,

So did you do the same thing I did after that? Because it hardened me, I became beligerant to go on and have a good life regardless of them.

aye we have more autonomy and freedom as adults though, if i were free to chose in high school id have stayed out of high school and my experiences there probably part influenced me to shut myself in my room for years after it when i left high school and decided to do nothing at all.

and yeah highschool kids likely would murder people in their bullying, happens all the time. i remember someone at my highschool got set on fire with deodrant and a lighter not as part of targeted bullying against them... but just chav kids "having a laugh" their laugh is to set people on fire, and thats not even a targeted effort bullying thats just a random laugh to them.

i think i became numb to physical stuff so physical stuff didnt bother me much, but yet my thoughts and emotions were perhaps most vulnerable so the thoughts of what others do and say kinda hurt me more than any physical attack. such as when someone told me to die in a ditch when i was in class and everyone just laughed, my mind wasnt ready or stable enough for that and perhaps did want to die in a ditch, but it hit me that no one cares and people wanted me to die, that hit my thoughts and emotions stronger than any punch could.

I realise you were typing the same time I was adding additional context, so take a moment to reread my reply. I'm sorry you were bullied I really am, but you were not the only one, and I'm sure you are aware in many regards people still try (with various degress of success and failure) to bully us as adults because of these things that make us intrinsically us.

depends on the circumstance...

for your own protection? .... yes... if your in a environment or situation where revealing that can cause danger, then you need to protect yourself. kinda like how the muslims have a thing where they are allowed to lie and claim they are not muslims and seemingly abandon their faith in order to protect themselves. and how the jewish would have had to hide that they are jews from germans in order to protect themselves and couldnt be open about it in the 30s.

but in a safe place, you should be yourself and be open.

you probably are in a safe space now, as am i, as every adult should hopefully be. so we can all be ourselves now... but in high school that was one place that wasnt safe. so clearing high school is certainly the first step before anyone can truly become their true selves. 

its all about personal safety in my mind. and it is societies and others fault, but you need to be aware of the dangers of others and be able to avoid them. shouldnt have to do but thats just the way society is. lucky for us the danger often is only high school and passes.... this danger is due to the fact we are all forced into high school without a choice. high school should perhaps be a option that we can choose not to go to then. in which case like i said home schooling or private schooling or some other alternate is required. most of which is inaccessible to working class families at the moment.

🐝 Bees 🐝 (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs said:

would you seriously suggest I should also have hid my autistic self in the closet if I could? Rather than accepting myself.

You haven't answered this.

🐝 Bees 🐝 (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs said:

they might as well just be happy with being themselves, they'll be picked on regardless.

And none of that makes my above statement less true.

Also

Caelus said:

i suppose it maybe ok in better schools, but in the school i went to you really dont want to give them anything like this trans stuff to attack you on as it will result in 5 years of torture both physical and mental.

they already did this, anyway. Because I'm autistic, it couldn't have got worse if I came out, I was already being assaulted and sexually assaulted as an autist. How could tehy have amped it up? Literal murder? (edit: scratch that, I think they tried when they pushed me out into the road whilst I was walking home)

If I knew then, what I knew now I would have just come out sooner because they couldn't have done anything to me that they weren't already.

that is true, and thats what im on about. highschool is that age where kids pick on others most, for nothing at all, for slight differences... and for males that picking on can be very violent and physical and harmful

you dont really want to give those kids more fuel. i suppose it maybe ok in better schools, but in the school i went to you really dont want to give them anything like this trans stuff to attack you on as it will result in 5 years of torture both physical and mental. at that point your better off private or home schooling. we just dont live in a perfect world, high school will always be this way. we need a alternative to high school in this case i think as it doesnt work.

the bullies were over sexualised and sexual focused, so adding a sexual thing, especially a sexual deviance... that is danger fuel for high school. i got bullied alot myself because i wasnt vulgar and didnt know any sexual stuff and didnt want to speak about peoples private parts which i naturally want to stay private and not speak of because thats weird, but that was enough for me to be bullied. having a high pitched voice that didnt break as soon as others was enough too...you really dont want bullies to have any of this sexual ammunition as they are brutal with it.

That was actually the opposite of my experience of high school. It was an opportunity for me to be myself outside of my family and felt like a really safe space. Perhaps in the olden days it wasn't so great, and I'm sorry you went through that, honey

That ignores the fact that kids will pick on other kids just for liking a different sticker set/whatever interset or fashion etc than them, they might as well just be happy with being themselves, they'll be picked on regardless.

Because that part of me was so closeted in school it went undetected, and yet, being autistic I was bullied anyway, would you seriously suggest I should also have hid my autistic self in the closet if I could? Rather than accepting myself.

aye it is fine, the kid is in control of its own life and should do what it wants... without any influence from anyone pushing things on them or confusing them. they should make their own way. just everyone should stop trying to change how everyone else is, how others speak and dictate how we use our language. that is kinda when you interfere on someone elses own life and freedoms the same way as trying to push things on a kid you shouldnt push language on a random adult. the adult can accept or take any language in their own time, such as if i decided to go out of my way to learn french, that ok so long as no ones forcing you to learn and use french! lol

the kid also needs to understand consequences and how society reacts to them though.... high school is brutal, i think everyone here can agree on that... so any personal large life style changes should be done once high school is complete right? to avoid it becoming really bad and miserable, as it is already very bad as it is for anyone without adding more deviation and fuel for the cretins in high school... to protect a kid, the kid needs to understand that high school is a very bad time to be yourself and is a aweful environment and things should wait until after high school because high school there is no acceptance for anything there and the other kids are vicious. its a self protective thing to know.

Fun fact everyone was a girl once, thanks to the magic of fetal development. XD