Published on 12, July, 2020
So another thread relating to trans rights has been locked under Rule 4 ‘Be Nice’ , but shouldn’t hatred directed at trans people be actually deleted? The thread was going really well with lots of trans, gender fluid and queer people supporting each other, but as usual the cis hets dive in to invalidate us. The mod response is not to target the prejudice but to lock the entire thread! This is wrong. Can we trans and queer and pride people on the spectrum not have a safe space here? I know the mods have a policy of non-deletion but this is wrong, were racist comments being made I’m sure they’d pounce on that pdq, but hate against trans people is unchallenged and left to stand. Apalling of you NAS!
Alice-nice-Alice said:but as usual the cis hets dive in to invalidate us
By lumping a large group of people together, who cannot help being what they are, and giving them all negative traits, you are committing a similar level of prejudicial thinking as those you decry. "Do as you would be done by" is a good maxim. I'm speaking as the parent of a non-binary child, whom I love greatly. I have no anti-trans axe to grind.
Actually, that's a point - I'm a 'cis-het' (more or less) and also have no axe to grind - the opposite. But I took the phrase as a short-hand for 'cis-het people - most often men - who feel the need to defend the majority as though it were under threat'. But maybe there's more precise way of putting that - the harmfully prejudiced or something. Racism would fall within that term too. But then I worry that the specific minority being spoken of by CF is getting side-lined. The intent was clear in their post even if the precise phrasing was not.
To be honest, I do hear many podcasters and the like catching themselves in a moment of self-awareness and saying 'and of course. as a straight white male, I'm the voice that most needs to be heard on this topic'. It's done with self-deprecating irony of course. And I should probably echo that now, and step back from this discussion to let testimony of the lived experience have room to breathe.
In other words, widespread 'permission' is given by many progressive cis-het people for that or an equivalent term to be used to refer to the unconsiously ingested prejudice/entitlement that even the most enlightened have recurring blind-spots (sometimes caught in the moment of articulating them) about. Used pegoritivley, it is a short hand for 'the people who will remaiin comparatively advantaged for the foreseeable' - so basically that's OK. It isn't punching down in any way really. So actually... it's fine. Or should be. For those of us who can't take it, maybe we should ask why.
Caelus said:ahh so it was made by a german sexologist/sociologist... it all makes sense now... yeah that just makes me want to have that word banned even more lol
Fortunately ~ etymological and sociological wisdom has so much more credibility than gender, sexual and racial discrimination; in freer more harmonised societies at least.
its probably intentionally high in cyclists as they ride out on red lights and get run over. that kinda counts as suicide. their suicide is in their lack of road knowledge and how to use the road but yet they go on the road and put themselves in danger due to having no idea how to use the road, predict other users or understand whats happening.
What's the suicide rate like for your average cyclist? For Trans folk it is extremely high. Also for Autistics it is extremely high. Why is that? Why is it that Autistics and/or trans folk are different to some NT with a pushbike?
Didn’t Shakespeare have to invent words to get sufficient elegance and nuance into his writing? About ways of being that had existed since the dawn of time…