Rule 4 - Be Nice

So another thread relating to trans rights has been locked under Rule 4 ‘Be Nice’ , but shouldn’t hatred directed at trans people be actually deleted? The thread was going really well with lots of trans, gender fluid and queer people supporting each other, but as usual the cis hets dive in to invalidate us. The mod response is not to target the prejudice but to lock the entire thread! This is wrong. Can we trans and queer and pride people on the spectrum not have a safe space here? I know the mods have a policy of non-deletion but this is wrong, were racist comments being made I’m sure they’d pounce on that pdq, but hate against trans people is unchallenged and left to stand. Apalling of you NAS!

Parents
  • but as usual the cis hets dive in to invalidate us

    By lumping a large group of people together, who cannot help being what they are, and giving them all negative traits, you are committing a similar level of prejudicial thinking as those you decry. "Do as you would be done by" is a good maxim. I'm speaking as the parent of a non-binary child, whom I love greatly. I have no anti-trans axe to grind.

  • My prejudice, if that is what it is, comes from a place of persecution, the straight white mainstream absolutely don’t experience this, and I did not mention you at all, nor assert a personal axe grinding. 

  • We are mostly autistic here, so most of us have some experience of exclusion from the mainstream, if not persecution. Your argument is a little like the, fairly often stated, assertion that 'black people cannot be racist', because they have been enslaved and persecuted. I expect that the Tutsi being slaughtered by the Hutu in the Rwanda genocide fully subscribed to that idea.

    I don't understand the relevance of not having mentioned me. My point was about your use of apparently hypocritical wording. If you were not expressing a prejudicial attitude, please explain how I have misunderstood.

  • Thank you. I do understand that many, perhaps most, people are kind and caring but my suffering was intense and profound and it’s consequences echoing to this day. I cannot explain the pain of having my daughters taken from me for simply being my true self. I am so glad you are loving your child as you do, it is excellent to hear and is indeed a little comfort, than you. I’m in a bad place today, they were truly accepting mr, we we’re getting there in our relationship and we could have been in each other’s lives still had not mainstream prejudices intervened. 

    I feel this is off track for an autism community so I apologise for this, it’s so incredibly hard and for all the trauma I’ve suffered, and dealt with, the loss of my daughters is a suicidal pain I cannot resolve or close. 

  • I am genuinely sorry that you have experienced such distress and grief. No one should have to suffer in such a way. Perhaps the knowledge that my non-binary child will not suffer in any way - from within their family - because of who they are, might be of some comfort. Also, both myself and my wife are 'cis het', proving that not all are unfeeling or persecutory.

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  • I am genuinely sorry that you have experienced such distress and grief. No one should have to suffer in such a way. Perhaps the knowledge that my non-binary child will not suffer in any way - from within their family - because of who they are, might be of some comfort. Also, both myself and my wife are 'cis het', proving that not all are unfeeling or persecutory.

Children
  • Thank you. I do understand that many, perhaps most, people are kind and caring but my suffering was intense and profound and it’s consequences echoing to this day. I cannot explain the pain of having my daughters taken from me for simply being my true self. I am so glad you are loving your child as you do, it is excellent to hear and is indeed a little comfort, than you. I’m in a bad place today, they were truly accepting mr, we we’re getting there in our relationship and we could have been in each other’s lives still had not mainstream prejudices intervened. 

    I feel this is off track for an autism community so I apologise for this, it’s so incredibly hard and for all the trauma I’ve suffered, and dealt with, the loss of my daughters is a suicidal pain I cannot resolve or close.