I like to fly under the radar wherever possible - less attention = less stress.
I value anonymity. I am debating whether to share my identity in this place with my nearest and dearest.
Do the folk from these pages share their identity here with their significant others so they can be "looked up" and their posts read?
A simple Yes or No would be gratefully received, but further reasoning would be especially welcomed.
Dear Everybody,
Just wanted to say a big thank you for helping me with advice on this matter.
I have been surprised that the vast majority of respondents are somewhere between "guarded" and "not on your nelly" in respect to sharing your identity in this place. This aligns very much with my attitude towards my entire life frankly.
I really do appreciate everyone's time on this.
Kindest regards,
Number.
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Dear Everybody,
Just wanted to say a big thank you for helping me with advice on this matter.
I have been surprised that the vast majority of respondents are somewhere between "guarded" and "not on your nelly" in respect to sharing your identity in this place. This aligns very much with my attitude towards my entire life frankly.
I really do appreciate everyone's time on this.
Kindest regards,
Number.
I am not telling anybody anything about whether I have told anybody anything about this subject matter or not. :-)
It was the stuff about "depth manipulation" that I found objectionable.
It's underhand.
The negative stuff generally is, hence the need to also define the positive and neutral stuff so that it is not all cast as a malevolent issue and 'it' (whatever it happens to be) gets written off as just being doom weaving or paranoid conspiracy, involving 'argumentum add hominem' (arguments against people) rather than discussing the unmentioned subject in any specific manner.
Hence advertisers need to involve depth psychology in order to take advantage of providing for people's: emotional security, reassurance of worth, ego gratification, creative outlets, love objects, sense of power, roots and immortality ~ as listed by Vance ~ otherwise perfectly reasonable products do not sell as well as would be required to justify production cost and make a profit ~ sometimes just on account of being the wrong colour, shape or size, whether that be clothing, transport, accommodation or whatever else.
The project I chose to work on from The Hidden Persuaders involved page 13 of the Trouble With People Chapter where it stated:
The Color Research Institute conducted an experiment after it
began suspecting the reliability of people's comments. Women
while waiting for a lecture had the choice of two waiting rooms.
One was a functional modern chamber with gentle tones. It had
been carefully designed for eye ease and to promote a relaxed
feeling. The other room was a traditional room filled with period
furniture, oriental rugs, expensive-looking wallpaper.
It was found that virtually all the women instinctively went into
the Swedish modern room to do their waiting. Only when every
chair was filled did the women start to overflow into the more
ornate room. After the lecture the ladies were asked, "Which of
those two rooms do you like the better?" They looked thoughtfully
at the two rooms, and then 84 per cent of them said the period room
was the nicer room.
Which I approached from the architectural and interior design angle, on the basis that reception / waiting rooms for lectures and so forth are thoroughfares and not meant to be ornate settings for: relaxing comfort, visual stimulation and verbal discussion ~ whereas relative comfort applies most certainly yes, but nothing more than just leaving the audience to focus on what they have come to focus on in respect of the lecture. Besides which ~ period furniture, oriental rugs and wallpaper are all costly considerations that require additional and therefore excessive maintenance, and not only that they provide stimulus for discussions that distract from the theme of the lecture, performance or whatever. The blander the better almost in that most facility owners want people in and out as efficiently as possible, not standing or sitting around holding things up before or after the presentation by way of discussing or feeling comfortable with the decor and whatnot.
Of course the thing about suspecting the reliability of peoples comments depends upon their private and public personae types socially and their experiential awareness of themselves personally, along with their unconscious, subconscious and preconscious compulsions and habituations, as which need to be appropriately considered and addressed in order to afford effective sales and reliable custom.
It was the stuff about "depth manipulation" that I found objectionable.
It's underhand.
Both of you could do a lot worse than read "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard.
I had a look on the internettle for said book and first listing that came was a PDF freebie ~ so in that I needed some time off site and off the internettle, I thought having something to read for a couple of nights might be a bit of bonus in that respect. As soon as I started reading ~ I remembered having read it during my first week at college studying graphic design, so that brought back a lot of memories from that time.
Packard’s notion that motivational research etcetera were in any way new was somewhat mistaken ~ being that it has been involved through all civilisations and cultures since the earliest of times, by way of familial guidance and social governance ~ and all that philosophically, theosophically and politically etcetera involving education and propaganda, negatively, positively and neutrally.
What was new to Packard and the uninitiated was just age-old standard procedure to others, i.e., tricks of the trade and all that. Darren Brown did a couple of series called ‘Trick of the Mind’ in 2004 and 2006, where he explained and demonstrated the art of persuasion and misdirection for getting people to do as directed. Maybe give them a watch if you have not already done so, or if you fancy a refresher possibly.
The combination of those techniques and the digital age, is a bit worrysome to be honest, and I feel that the danger ought to be more widely known, in the public interest.
Also, a second opinion as to whether I should concern myself about these matters is always appreciated, even if I might not agree at the time.
Well, as is the case with most professions and practices, danger needs to addressed for the sake of safe practice, and the methodologies of safe practice need to be emphasised to a greater extent ~ being that in the given context it is the mainstay of good advertising and healthy commerce; just as much as good behaviour and healthy relationships need to be exemplified for the greater good of society.
Your thoroughness and breadth is often a marvel.
A lot of what I was after was not immediately available, such as when newspapers, art galleries and museums etcetera were considered the influencers of the day back in late 18 hundreds ~ and earlier of course. The earliest immediate stuff I could find was circa 2015, and due to being exhausted from all the temporary deletions of the Akismet system and the resulting appeal notifications ~ I did not have the energy or wherewithal to spend however many days getting enough cookie clusters on the go to find the same concerns from the nineties or the naughties.
I did imagine that you were already cognisant of the algorithmic curates - both of modern digital means and the analogue methods of old - and that is precisely why I thought you would like to hear this particular programme reflecting on the here and now. The speed of the feedback loop has become MARKEDLY faster and more pervasive than ever before with an underlying drive to keep each individual "plugged in" at any cost - the "Smudge" algorythm was new to me.
With the speed of the feedback loop thing ~ I found it somewhat intriguing with having become habitually acclimatised to being on this site and others some years ago, when my computer’s disc drive broke down and I spent a couple of weeks going cold-turkey, which was fascinating.
Currently though, without as yet having the data wealth to cope with audible or visual data loads and listen to the ‘The Digital Human: Curate’ programme; I am assuming until then that “Smudge” algorithms involve incremental piece by piece data harvesting ~ for invasive access to bank accounts and whatever else with trojan spyware and virus codings and all that state of affairs.
Computers are powerful so we need to remain wise as well as smart.
Oddly enough, computers are not even computers as of yet, just advanced calculators. So, until humans get their cardial, intestinal and cerebral brains psychologically and physiologically integrated and harmonised with the fact that frequency (not time) and space involve in-and-out-spiralling infinite holographies ~ quantum computing is going to remain somewhat of mystery, and therefore not commercially available. So until computers are available, a reasonable amount of caution otherwise recognised as paranoia has been my approach to advanced calculators. >(Smilie Emoji)<
Wow - you swerved like an open-mouthed basking shark there, collecting all the plankton from round abouts ! Don't get me wrong, I am not saying anything other than - you've widened a thought or two about algorithms and attention into matters of civilisational existentialism in one powerful swish of your tail ! I'll need some time to be with this writing before responding.
Thank you Sperg - I like to think.
But you two do care. And this is a time in history where a few people who care could make a huge difference to future history. And everyone is going to "care" when J.I.T fails hard.
If indeed we are in the process of a "Great reset", there will come a point where the people demand better more logical well informed leadership. They will eventually want virtuous leaders who can learn from the mistakes of the past.
I want our next crop of leadership to be aware of but shy away from "The Hidden Persuaders".
All of us autists at one point or another have faced that subtle power because we work on some levels that "don't fit the model". There's also obviously a lot of quite intelligent people amongst us.
We face the choice every day of being "victims or victors" when most of us would just like to get on with things without being either.
I offer the hypothesis, that since the techniques described in that book are being used unrestrictedly all the time, to manipulate the population as a whole, via it's basest instincts & subconscious drives, that Autism far from being something "new" is just a fairly common way of being that has been much easier to integrate into society than it is now. Now due to our inbuilt questioning and tendancy to want a complete set of data to work from, we automatically modern life harder than we ever did, we bump up against nonsensical conventions that we struggle with, unlike the more logical and survival / community based conventions that used to prevail.
In my case I never wanted to be "Awkward", but I "think wider", and that makes me ask questions.
One question I keep asking myself, is that since we had a halfway tolerable life before the industrial revolution, a revolution which has definitely reduced the need for people to live in subsistence, why do we all have to pay a mortgage and work so hard to pay it off in jobs that to me in a lot of cases look like pointless activity? Why are there so few real creative Artists and Inventors in this age of plenty?
But you two do care. And this is a time in history where a few people who care could make a huge difference to future history. And everyone is going to "care" when J.I.T fails hard.
If indeed we are in the process of a "Great reset", there will come a point where the people demand better more logical well informed leadership. They will eventually want virtuous leaders who can learn from the mistakes of the past.
I want our next crop of leadership to be aware of but shy away from "The Hidden Persuaders".
All of us autists at one point or another have faced that subtle power because we work on some levels that "don't fit the model". There's also obviously a lot of quite intelligent people amongst us.
We face the choice every day of being "victims or victors" when most of us would just like to get on with things without being either.
I offer the hypothesis, that since the techniques described in that book are being used unrestrictedly all the time, to manipulate the population as a whole, via it's basest instincts & subconscious drives, that Autism far from being something "new" is just a fairly common way of being that has been much easier to integrate into society than it is now. Now due to our inbuilt questioning and tendancy to want a complete set of data to work from, we automatically modern life harder than we ever did, we bump up against nonsensical conventions that we struggle with, unlike the more logical and survival / community based conventions that used to prevail.
In my case I never wanted to be "Awkward", but I "think wider", and that makes me ask questions.
One question I keep asking myself, is that since we had a halfway tolerable life before the industrial revolution, a revolution which has definitely reduced the need for people to live in subsistence, why do we all have to pay a mortgage and work so hard to pay it off in jobs that to me in a lot of cases look like pointless activity? Why are there so few real creative Artists and Inventors in this age of plenty?
Wow - you swerved like an open-mouthed basking shark there, collecting all the plankton from round abouts ! Don't get me wrong, I am not saying anything other than - you've widened a thought or two about algorithms and attention into matters of civilisational existentialism in one powerful swish of your tail ! I'll need some time to be with this writing before responding.
Thank you Sperg - I like to think.
