Anybody please post your feelings or opinions on having friends or making friends or on being alone.

As an autistic adult most of the time this doesn't matter much to me but truthfully I think it matters to me at least a little bit most of the time. Most of the time I am alone. Even when in groups I speak and interact with the others only a little bit and most of that little bit will be to say only what I think is essential or necessary.

What can upset my is envy for neurotypical people. They get into relationships and find friends. The way they interact with each other is cute and funny. It seems to me that teasing and playing and having fun and being fun are crucial to how neurotypical people make friends. I do sometimes think .little of it, as fun seems so childish, but clearly being childish is part of having fun and of course whether it is childish or not fun is still fun.

This hit me last night: I went to a nightclub after work. I can relax in nightclubs and perhaps unlike most people who go to nightclubs I am at my happiest when I am alone and at my most uncomfortable when people try to talk to me. I do try to be friendly but I can see how others lose interest in my when I start talking to them. I know they will and I know what I will say will not be interesting to them but it is also my best attempt at trying to be friendly too. But I wondered: Who is really happy in that situation? Is it them or me? Maybe we are all happy or all unhappy. Whose happiness or enjoyment is real?  

Sometimes I sit and watch neurotypical people in conversation. I can watch their facial expressions and body language but I find it hard to understand what subjects they are discussing or what information they are sharing or why they are talking to each other or what they really get from it. I really think I just don't understand conversation at all. I don't understand why other people do it and I don't think I have ever in my life known how to have a conversation or even really had one. Not ever. 

Much of the time though however much I try to content myself with my own company I really do feel an absence of fun in my life and I know I also spend a lot of time trying to find a way to feel happier than I do on a long term basis and I never have. I sometimes watch neurotypical people, as I was at the nightclub, while they are dancing wondering "Who is really happy, them or me?". Are they sometimes only joining in because they think they should do or because they think that is what others want them to do?

I hardly ever get invited to staff parties. It does happen but my last job I had to leave because I so much didn't feel like part of the group I couldn't cope with the sense of being left to one side any more so I left. The others would go to staff parties together and post photographs to the group while I sat at home wondering whether I should add a smile or heart react or if they don't care or if they are only doing this because they want me to know I am not part of their group? Are they trying to get back at me for some wrong I don't even know I have committed? 

It is a strange mixed feeling of wanting to be invited but also being glad I am not because of how awkward I would feel. More than once after I have been invited I have left the main group to be more completely alone really because I find it easier to be alone than trying to stay in a group while not understanding what to do in that group. In groups I will usually only sit there silently while they talk to each other and because I can sit quietly without talking without needing to be in a group I do often just slip away without announcing I am going really because it is very hard to explain I am leaving if I haven't said anything for 30 minutes.

Social isolation makes work unrewarding for me because at work I do endless manual tasks and have little social interaction so of course I prefer to be out of work because while alone my time isn't wholly occupied by lots of tedious manual tasks which are helping other people but not me.

If I was wealthy enough I would probably spend almost all of my time alone. What is also true though I would spend a lot of that time alone wondering about other people and how to make friends.  I would wonder how to enjoy myself and play the sort of social games neurotypical call "fun" which I don't know how to play and seem never to learn.

I think it's perception. I think sociable neurotypical people notice the social cues and they know how to react to them in ways which please other neurotypical people. It may be something they got a start in when they were infants and observed their own parents having fun with their friends.  

The only advice I can give myself is my greatest satisfaction is achieved by the principle of (as the adage says) "just be yourself". I seem to be at my happiest when I am just doing what I want to. Sometimes even neurotypical people seem to warm to me more when I allow myself to be more autistic in their presence. A woman once watched me carefully unfold a screwed up sheet of tin foil without tearing it so it was perfectly flat. She told me she enjoyed watching me do it because she could see how absorbed and satisfied I was. A woman came over to talk to me in the nightclub last night and although she seemed nice I didn't (as usual) want to talk to her. It isn't hostility. She turned out to be very nice and she was nice to me. I just don't like talking in person and do I not know what to say when I do want to talk. So instead of talking to her I just did what I wanted to do which was to just look at her and she seemed to like it. She asked for my number and called me when she was leaving. I didn't go, of course. Instead I just sent her some messages which I hope she liked. Those messages explained I wouldn't go home with her. After sending them I then deleted her number to block me from sending her autistic messages afterwards which she would find puzzling and not know how to respond to. I really broke off contact for both of our sakes and I still suspect her friendliness may have been explained by being under the influence of MDMA although I have no proof that is true except for the fact I really gave her no reason to warm to me so much.

What do you think about it? You who is reading this message now. What do you think of making friends, especially with neurotypical people, or having fun, or being alone? What do you think when you look at other people who are friends? Do you experience envy, or sorrow, or loneliness? Do you have any answers or tips for those of us who do?

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  • I got it difficult to keep friends throughout school. But as I started college it got easier found relating to other though interests give the opportunity to talk without what will I say thought do they like me thoughts and I am I bee appropriate conversations. I let me inner child out too much. I see a pattern for me doe when I start getting overstimulated and how it effects been around people. I masked so much of me life and started to do that around the time of college because people would ignore me for been me. Find people around my age a growing up with friends they matured quicker always ahead of me around that. Been friends with them when I started noticing it like they didn’t have time for me felt like l was  an embarrassment to them. Lately the friends I have don’t pressure me into meeting them or doing this like heading off for a few days and they are still around and I am grateful to have them. Just trying your best around people the more I use to think I am not doing enough for myself to have any those time are where I mostly had myself. It normal to be anxious around new people and getting to know someone every find bit of anxiety that goes with that. I mostly just message my friends every week or every second week and we meet up when we can talking face to face is tiring for me have no energy and feel overwhelmed by it but I try that’s all you can do. 

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  • I got it difficult to keep friends throughout school. But as I started college it got easier found relating to other though interests give the opportunity to talk without what will I say thought do they like me thoughts and I am I bee appropriate conversations. I let me inner child out too much. I see a pattern for me doe when I start getting overstimulated and how it effects been around people. I masked so much of me life and started to do that around the time of college because people would ignore me for been me. Find people around my age a growing up with friends they matured quicker always ahead of me around that. Been friends with them when I started noticing it like they didn’t have time for me felt like l was  an embarrassment to them. Lately the friends I have don’t pressure me into meeting them or doing this like heading off for a few days and they are still around and I am grateful to have them. Just trying your best around people the more I use to think I am not doing enough for myself to have any those time are where I mostly had myself. It normal to be anxious around new people and getting to know someone every find bit of anxiety that goes with that. I mostly just message my friends every week or every second week and we meet up when we can talking face to face is tiring for me have no energy and feel overwhelmed by it but I try that’s all you can do. 

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  • Finding it hard to keep friends is something I have known for years. It is hard enough for me to begin friendships never mind keep them but once I am in one I still don't know what to do. One of the main ways it has affected me is a general lack of warmth and love in my life and a series of short-term relationships with women which start out just fine but end within hours or days or weeks or maybe a few months before they end, usually with me feeling depressed and inadequate and it's a hard feeling to shake because I suppose if somebody has broken up with me then it because I was inadequate. There is no getting away from the fact they eventually decided whatever they wanted in life it wasn't me.

    For me the two main things missing from my life are fun and romance. I don't have boys to hang around with and I don't have a girl to be with in a couple.

    A part of it is wilful self-sabotage. I don't understand why but when I meet somebody who likes me and wants to get to know me I tend to be quite mean to them. I don't know how the analysis works out but I think the reason is driven by the fact I am so uncomfortable with not knowing how to start a friendship, or even if I should, it elicits so much doubt and misery and confusion in me that it's actually just less difficult and painful to be alone. I expect those in long term committed friendships feel the opposite way around and for them being alone is harder and more difficult and I suppose for anybody who finds it easy to form supportive friendships they are probably right, it is easier for them.

    It is good you have found friends who appear to understand you and don't put pressure on you. I have had friends like those but it was a very long time ago in my life. I have literally made no friends in decades. Yes, I have had relationships not ones which lasted and no new long-term friendships of any kind.

    Others have talked about they meet people online and I think most of my communication with others is by the written word. Again, I am not sure how the analysis works out but I think it is perhaps somewhat because being autistic means our conversations tend to be trades of factual information. Our communication is often really only a list of facts. This kind of communication doesn't need to take place in close proximity to others. We can just mail or text each other.

    Sometimes those written friendships can seem quite deep. It can sometimes feel like I am there in the room with them. It's a strange sensation how the mind can close the distance between people. One might argue that sometimes it can feel even better than most face to face communication with all its difficulties especially those faced by those of us on the autism spectrum. I probably all of the symptoms to some extend: Difficulty with and dislike of eye contact, difficulty with body language (I tend to just sort imitate the other person. I technique called "mirroring" which I learned from a book about social skills), I don't use vocal intonation effectively or at all and tend to be monotonous. These are not things which help face to face communication but are things which help with written communication.

    The trouble with all of that is I want contact with others to be there in front of me. I want them to be with me. I want others to like mad and talk to me. It would be great to meet somebody who wants to make me happy. It's hard though because I have no idea how to make others happy and I don't even know how to me happy for any period of time except when I doing literally nothing.

    That brings me on to masking. I hadn't heard of the term until recently so I hadn't even really thought about how much time I spend doing it. I am doing it right now, writing this note, using my "normal" tone. What I really want to do though is nothing. If I fall out of work what I spend most of my time doing is nothing and if I had enough money I might mostly do nothing until the end of my life. So, the only way I can start to make friends is to basically try to act socially confident and normal. This usually works out very poorly and I can see almost everything I say land badly on most people who then very quickly withdraw from the conversation and from my company. Either that or I will quickly grow very tired of the conversation and withdraw myself. I don't actually like talking so I only do it when I think I have to. 

    Typing about it is making me tired right now. I'd rather go back to being non-verbal for a while so I can relax before work. Thanks for the chat.