Anybody please post your feelings or opinions on having friends or making friends or on being alone.

As an autistic adult most of the time this doesn't matter much to me but truthfully I think it matters to me at least a little bit most of the time. Most of the time I am alone. Even when in groups I speak and interact with the others only a little bit and most of that little bit will be to say only what I think is essential or necessary.

What can upset my is envy for neurotypical people. They get into relationships and find friends. The way they interact with each other is cute and funny. It seems to me that teasing and playing and having fun and being fun are crucial to how neurotypical people make friends. I do sometimes think .little of it, as fun seems so childish, but clearly being childish is part of having fun and of course whether it is childish or not fun is still fun.

This hit me last night: I went to a nightclub after work. I can relax in nightclubs and perhaps unlike most people who go to nightclubs I am at my happiest when I am alone and at my most uncomfortable when people try to talk to me. I do try to be friendly but I can see how others lose interest in my when I start talking to them. I know they will and I know what I will say will not be interesting to them but it is also my best attempt at trying to be friendly too. But I wondered: Who is really happy in that situation? Is it them or me? Maybe we are all happy or all unhappy. Whose happiness or enjoyment is real?  

Sometimes I sit and watch neurotypical people in conversation. I can watch their facial expressions and body language but I find it hard to understand what subjects they are discussing or what information they are sharing or why they are talking to each other or what they really get from it. I really think I just don't understand conversation at all. I don't understand why other people do it and I don't think I have ever in my life known how to have a conversation or even really had one. Not ever. 

Much of the time though however much I try to content myself with my own company I really do feel an absence of fun in my life and I know I also spend a lot of time trying to find a way to feel happier than I do on a long term basis and I never have. I sometimes watch neurotypical people, as I was at the nightclub, while they are dancing wondering "Who is really happy, them or me?". Are they sometimes only joining in because they think they should do or because they think that is what others want them to do?

I hardly ever get invited to staff parties. It does happen but my last job I had to leave because I so much didn't feel like part of the group I couldn't cope with the sense of being left to one side any more so I left. The others would go to staff parties together and post photographs to the group while I sat at home wondering whether I should add a smile or heart react or if they don't care or if they are only doing this because they want me to know I am not part of their group? Are they trying to get back at me for some wrong I don't even know I have committed? 

It is a strange mixed feeling of wanting to be invited but also being glad I am not because of how awkward I would feel. More than once after I have been invited I have left the main group to be more completely alone really because I find it easier to be alone than trying to stay in a group while not understanding what to do in that group. In groups I will usually only sit there silently while they talk to each other and because I can sit quietly without talking without needing to be in a group I do often just slip away without announcing I am going really because it is very hard to explain I am leaving if I haven't said anything for 30 minutes.

Social isolation makes work unrewarding for me because at work I do endless manual tasks and have little social interaction so of course I prefer to be out of work because while alone my time isn't wholly occupied by lots of tedious manual tasks which are helping other people but not me.

If I was wealthy enough I would probably spend almost all of my time alone. What is also true though I would spend a lot of that time alone wondering about other people and how to make friends.  I would wonder how to enjoy myself and play the sort of social games neurotypical call "fun" which I don't know how to play and seem never to learn.

I think it's perception. I think sociable neurotypical people notice the social cues and they know how to react to them in ways which please other neurotypical people. It may be something they got a start in when they were infants and observed their own parents having fun with their friends.  

The only advice I can give myself is my greatest satisfaction is achieved by the principle of (as the adage says) "just be yourself". I seem to be at my happiest when I am just doing what I want to. Sometimes even neurotypical people seem to warm to me more when I allow myself to be more autistic in their presence. A woman once watched me carefully unfold a screwed up sheet of tin foil without tearing it so it was perfectly flat. She told me she enjoyed watching me do it because she could see how absorbed and satisfied I was. A woman came over to talk to me in the nightclub last night and although she seemed nice I didn't (as usual) want to talk to her. It isn't hostility. She turned out to be very nice and she was nice to me. I just don't like talking in person and do I not know what to say when I do want to talk. So instead of talking to her I just did what I wanted to do which was to just look at her and she seemed to like it. She asked for my number and called me when she was leaving. I didn't go, of course. Instead I just sent her some messages which I hope she liked. Those messages explained I wouldn't go home with her. After sending them I then deleted her number to block me from sending her autistic messages afterwards which she would find puzzling and not know how to respond to. I really broke off contact for both of our sakes and I still suspect her friendliness may have been explained by being under the influence of MDMA although I have no proof that is true except for the fact I really gave her no reason to warm to me so much.

What do you think about it? You who is reading this message now. What do you think of making friends, especially with neurotypical people, or having fun, or being alone? What do you think when you look at other people who are friends? Do you experience envy, or sorrow, or loneliness? Do you have any answers or tips for those of us who do?

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  • What do you think about it? You who is reading this message now. What do you think of making friends, especially with neurotypical people, or having fun, or being alone? What do you think when you look at other people who are friends? Do you experience envy, or sorrow, or loneliness? Do you have any answers or tips for those of us who do?

    I think I have friends exactly because I am happy alone. I have never been the sort of person to get lonely or feel isolated. (Ostracised yes but that is a separate thing entirely.) I don't think it's that big of a secret that to NTs the more you want to be their friend it just comes off as desperate, and really if we are being honest real friendships are not forced and flow naturally anyway.
    You need to be realy comfortable in your own skin as an ND person, if you don't treat yourself as being or having something secret "and thus shameful" thing about being yourself then others will less feel like they have the permission to treat you that way either.

    There was a time I had no friends in my life but I just kept being me and made new ones, there are people in the world ND and NT that appreciate and are drawn to authenticity.

    My tip is learn to be your own best friend first, then you are never really alone, everything else after that is just extra.
    You can do this even if you are depressed. Just think of the most compassionate thing someone who loves you very much would say to you, and then say it to yourself.

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  • What do you think about it? You who is reading this message now. What do you think of making friends, especially with neurotypical people, or having fun, or being alone? What do you think when you look at other people who are friends? Do you experience envy, or sorrow, or loneliness? Do you have any answers or tips for those of us who do?

    I think I have friends exactly because I am happy alone. I have never been the sort of person to get lonely or feel isolated. (Ostracised yes but that is a separate thing entirely.) I don't think it's that big of a secret that to NTs the more you want to be their friend it just comes off as desperate, and really if we are being honest real friendships are not forced and flow naturally anyway.
    You need to be realy comfortable in your own skin as an ND person, if you don't treat yourself as being or having something secret "and thus shameful" thing about being yourself then others will less feel like they have the permission to treat you that way either.

    There was a time I had no friends in my life but I just kept being me and made new ones, there are people in the world ND and NT that appreciate and are drawn to authenticity.

    My tip is learn to be your own best friend first, then you are never really alone, everything else after that is just extra.
    You can do this even if you are depressed. Just think of the most compassionate thing someone who loves you very much would say to you, and then say it to yourself.

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  • I am glad that many people like your comment. I agree that I have also found "just be yourself!" is very good advice. It has taken me a lifetime to understand that liking different things from NTs and not wanting to do the same things as them isn't a bad thing. It's OK to not want to socialise and to want to be alone with books and words and music and numbers. 

    I reflected recently on a time when my work colleagues were organising a night out together and as usual they were avoiding including me in their plans and organising it between themselves so I couldn't hear what they were doing. It is an experience I am familiar with and it's one which hurts me a bit each time. 

    The last time this happened I decided to rise above it and not take it personally or feel offended (much) and I went out alone and thankfully ended up having an experience I almost certainly would not have done if I had been given an invitation I had accepted from my work group. Not being a part of the main group, or any group, has advantages and sometime I reason to myself I am merely not part of any small group but rather a part of the largest group on earth. I have a relationship with all things, not just a few people I know from work. 

    The flaw though is to just be myself doesn't bring me the things in life I need from the world in which I live. If I really did what I wanted to I would probably not leave the house except to buy provisions and would instead stay at home and read and listen to music for the rest of my life. 

    The trouble with just being true to myself is that being true to myself doesn't bring me many of the things I long to experience, like travel and the benefits of wealth and love.

    I do reflect on how empowering it is to enjoy time spent alone but again sometimes this power feels like a reconciliation with something inadequate. I probably wouldn't spend so much time alone if I was popular and was regularly invited to parties with groups of people whose company I liked. People who were talkative and friendly towards me. So I think I have needed to find ways to enjoy spending time spent alone by force of a lifetime facing absence of social opportunity.

    It isn't that I am trying so much to put a cloud on a silver lining but that yes I can cheer myself up with positive thinking about my own condition and accept being who I am but the limits to that are what generates most of my sadness which surrounds the fact I cannot have the things in life I want because I am autistic and because this means I am very poor at making friends and very good and alienating people and pushing them away and putting them off me which places back in this situation where I am alone.

    I met a girl recently and we hit it off. I haven't had so much chemistry and fun with a person probably ever. her friends took an instant disliking to me and kept pulling her away. I didn't take her contact details nor explain to her I would dearly like to see her again and spend more time with her. So that's what happens: Even when those few opportunities become something desirable and turn into love and affection and acceptance of who I am not only by me but by somebody else that experience has too short a span and in less than two hours it is over and I am by myself with very little hope of seeing that person again or of having that experience again with anybody else.

    I do like being alone and I may be better at accepting myself than NTs, again, perhaps having been forced into it by cruel experience. How much I can accept myself and enjoy my time alone is so frequently darkened by how much I know just being myself doesn't bring friendship and care into my life and however much I enjoy being alone so much of the time I would enjoy being with somebody who cares for me so much more.

    That experience is what drove me to creating this thread: I want friends and a rewarding professional life. In short, I want better rewards. Being at home with a pile of books provides limited pleasure. It is nothing like being in a loving, fun and intimately compatible relationship where you are both bringing to each other the stimulating experiences you want to have. Travelling the world with that partner and seeing its beauty together. Having dinner as a couple and partying with friends. Making money in a business and being able to afford goods and property.

    So as much as I can convince myself I am happy by myself my peace always gives way to my realisation that I am also broke and bored and alone and my autistic mind has obsessed over this problem my whole life and has never provided me with a solution and I am currently doomed to live until the end of my days having never made an impression on the world and never had the experiences I long for because I don't know what to do about it. I don't even know how to start to make those things happen. The basic things of making friends and making money so I don't have to die poor, alone and unknown.