Anybody please post your feelings or opinions on having friends or making friends or on being alone.

As an autistic adult most of the time this doesn't matter much to me but truthfully I think it matters to me at least a little bit most of the time. Most of the time I am alone. Even when in groups I speak and interact with the others only a little bit and most of that little bit will be to say only what I think is essential or necessary.

What can upset my is envy for neurotypical people. They get into relationships and find friends. The way they interact with each other is cute and funny. It seems to me that teasing and playing and having fun and being fun are crucial to how neurotypical people make friends. I do sometimes think .little of it, as fun seems so childish, but clearly being childish is part of having fun and of course whether it is childish or not fun is still fun.

This hit me last night: I went to a nightclub after work. I can relax in nightclubs and perhaps unlike most people who go to nightclubs I am at my happiest when I am alone and at my most uncomfortable when people try to talk to me. I do try to be friendly but I can see how others lose interest in my when I start talking to them. I know they will and I know what I will say will not be interesting to them but it is also my best attempt at trying to be friendly too. But I wondered: Who is really happy in that situation? Is it them or me? Maybe we are all happy or all unhappy. Whose happiness or enjoyment is real?  

Sometimes I sit and watch neurotypical people in conversation. I can watch their facial expressions and body language but I find it hard to understand what subjects they are discussing or what information they are sharing or why they are talking to each other or what they really get from it. I really think I just don't understand conversation at all. I don't understand why other people do it and I don't think I have ever in my life known how to have a conversation or even really had one. Not ever. 

Much of the time though however much I try to content myself with my own company I really do feel an absence of fun in my life and I know I also spend a lot of time trying to find a way to feel happier than I do on a long term basis and I never have. I sometimes watch neurotypical people, as I was at the nightclub, while they are dancing wondering "Who is really happy, them or me?". Are they sometimes only joining in because they think they should do or because they think that is what others want them to do?

I hardly ever get invited to staff parties. It does happen but my last job I had to leave because I so much didn't feel like part of the group I couldn't cope with the sense of being left to one side any more so I left. The others would go to staff parties together and post photographs to the group while I sat at home wondering whether I should add a smile or heart react or if they don't care or if they are only doing this because they want me to know I am not part of their group? Are they trying to get back at me for some wrong I don't even know I have committed? 

It is a strange mixed feeling of wanting to be invited but also being glad I am not because of how awkward I would feel. More than once after I have been invited I have left the main group to be more completely alone really because I find it easier to be alone than trying to stay in a group while not understanding what to do in that group. In groups I will usually only sit there silently while they talk to each other and because I can sit quietly without talking without needing to be in a group I do often just slip away without announcing I am going really because it is very hard to explain I am leaving if I haven't said anything for 30 minutes.

Social isolation makes work unrewarding for me because at work I do endless manual tasks and have little social interaction so of course I prefer to be out of work because while alone my time isn't wholly occupied by lots of tedious manual tasks which are helping other people but not me.

If I was wealthy enough I would probably spend almost all of my time alone. What is also true though I would spend a lot of that time alone wondering about other people and how to make friends.  I would wonder how to enjoy myself and play the sort of social games neurotypical call "fun" which I don't know how to play and seem never to learn.

I think it's perception. I think sociable neurotypical people notice the social cues and they know how to react to them in ways which please other neurotypical people. It may be something they got a start in when they were infants and observed their own parents having fun with their friends.  

The only advice I can give myself is my greatest satisfaction is achieved by the principle of (as the adage says) "just be yourself". I seem to be at my happiest when I am just doing what I want to. Sometimes even neurotypical people seem to warm to me more when I allow myself to be more autistic in their presence. A woman once watched me carefully unfold a screwed up sheet of tin foil without tearing it so it was perfectly flat. She told me she enjoyed watching me do it because she could see how absorbed and satisfied I was. A woman came over to talk to me in the nightclub last night and although she seemed nice I didn't (as usual) want to talk to her. It isn't hostility. She turned out to be very nice and she was nice to me. I just don't like talking in person and do I not know what to say when I do want to talk. So instead of talking to her I just did what I wanted to do which was to just look at her and she seemed to like it. She asked for my number and called me when she was leaving. I didn't go, of course. Instead I just sent her some messages which I hope she liked. Those messages explained I wouldn't go home with her. After sending them I then deleted her number to block me from sending her autistic messages afterwards which she would find puzzling and not know how to respond to. I really broke off contact for both of our sakes and I still suspect her friendliness may have been explained by being under the influence of MDMA although I have no proof that is true except for the fact I really gave her no reason to warm to me so much.

What do you think about it? You who is reading this message now. What do you think of making friends, especially with neurotypical people, or having fun, or being alone? What do you think when you look at other people who are friends? Do you experience envy, or sorrow, or loneliness? Do you have any answers or tips for those of us who do?

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  • 3- "I really don't even know how to have fun. I don't know what I am supposed to do. I don't know what to do to be fun."   I think I've forgotten what 'fun' means too, but try to seek contentment and a sense of peace with a situation instead. If an experience doesn't go badly, then I deem that a success. When memories of 'bad'/'awkward'/'negative' moments pop into my mind, I give them brief airtime to acknowledge them (they are real and shouldn't be denied, after all) and to analyse where I could've done things differently or perhaps other people could've done things differently. I then banish those thoughts forcibly from my head ("I've dealt with you, now go away!") thereby avoiding doom-loops and building my confidence (or at least not reducing it).

  • I can relate to a lot of what you have written. I also try to edit my own thoughts. Sadly though I think this ma because my mental health doesn't manage itself as it did when I was younger. Today I am able to banish troubling thoughts. I do reflect on the past and think of what else I could have done. It can be quite difficult to find real answers to that question. I am gradually getting old. Past that point where people get sensitive about how old they are, as I have. Thinking about the same questions for years has only produced tiny outcomes. One of those outcomes has been acceptance. I have difficulty with that answer though. It's an answer which accepts I have no solution. It's an answer which means rather than find a solution to my problem making friends I merely accept I am autistic and I will not make friends so I should put my work into problems I am better able to solve. 

    I went out last night by myself. I like a nightclub in town. I think it's strange really that as an autistic person I have found somewhere I like to be in a nightclub. I like the environment. It's just one place. I don't like any of the other nightclubs or bars I know quite as much. I met a girl. We kissed. I can't tell you how much that meant to me. It is an experience I have long thought I might never have again in my life. It did feel awkward just like any social situation. I did spend the whole time asking myself what I was supposed to do in the situation but we had good chemistry and she was quite forward which made it so much easier. The one thing I didn't do was take her number so now I have too go through that process of letting go. The same process of moving on and accepting it probably won't happen again. I have to be careful how I think about it or I will start dwelling on it and regretting what happened rather than being pleased and moving forward. She had told me she would be happy to go to nightclubs with me but of course that is now unlikely to happen. It would have been nice to have had a talkative friend to go out with. Of course if I think of it that way I will begin to feel depressed about what I lost rather than happy about what I had... as neurotypical people say.

    I think I have accepting myself to thank as one of the reasons it happened. I wanted to go out and when I had some anxious thoughts "I don't know. I don't think the doorman likes you very much. You always come here alone. He thinks you are strange". I can coach myself "Oh, come on. You Want to go. That's all you need to know. Just go!". I don't need to feel awkward just because I am there alone. I can feel independent instead. I can stand tall and be happy about who I am and where I am. So that's what I did and the next thing I know a girl approaches and starts talking to me. 

    Although I would have liked to have seen her again I also believe it's important to have experiences of loss because they teach the skill of letting go. I can reason with myself "That moment would have passed no matter what you did. You won't be here forever. You have to accept things happen and change and pass". So I can move forward a happy confident person to whom something nice happened. It is still hard to do though because it feels like walking forward into the cold having recently experienced a brief moment of warmth.

    I know though that I am stronger in my mind. I have discovering meditation practice to thank for that. I often reflect on something I read in the past which said "Nobody hands you a user manual for your mind". I often reflect on that because it's true. I can make myself feel more positive although sometimes I do wonder about what extraordinary effort it requires for me to achieve it. Controlling my mind and body has long felt like moving a heavy weight. I can do it but it takes considerable effort. I think if I had enough money to resign from work I might just sit at home and stare into space leaving the house only to buy simple goods.

    I spoke to some people last night. It was after I thought the girl had left. It's the same thing though. I can see they aren't really interested. I trade a few words and they disappear. 

    Something I have noticed about extroverts is something people say "They like the sound of their own voice" and I think that's true but I also think other people like the sound of their voice too. Extroverts tend to have voices which are nice to hear. I don't like the sound of my voice and I don't like talking. When I do talk I don't know what to do to get people interested in what I have to say. For years I have chosen to accept that if I want to talk to others then I have to just make myself do it, whether they or I like it or not. It's tough love I suppose.

    As well as working in sales for a while I used to go to pubs just to get drunk and talk to strangers. Somehow using drunkenness as a sort of excuse. Trying to force myself to talk to people. Again though the takeaway for me after years is this isn't a skill I can learn. I compare it to singing or seeing in colour. If you can't do it then ones ability to learn how is probably limited. People who can sing often report singing was a discovery for them. They tried to sing as children and discovered they could. It wasn't a learning experience it was just something they could always do.

    Sadly for me socialising feels that way. You either have it or you don't and I don't. Sometimes I get lucky. 

    Something I can still recall from the time I went to pubs regularly just to talk to people is I didn't make even one friend during that whole time. Recently I have had more success not even bothering but just waiting for chance to bring something my way and that's what happened last night.



  • Although I would have liked to have seen her again

    Try going back to the nightclub as often as you feel able, better on the same night of the week that you met. She might come looking for you too, and you really have nothing to lose (you've already accepted the letting go part) and possibly much to gain...Heart eyes

    With regards to making friends, I've found that people really like talking about themselves and if you ask questions about them they will often provide most of the conversation. This comes fairly easily to me as people are my special interest, I'm fascinated by them and genuinely want to know how they work and why they think or feel the way they do.

    Unfortunately it seems that I'm not great at showing people that I like them, I recently found out that people struggle to decipher how I feel about them, and I guess this puts off all but the most confident/determined. I have many transient friends - those who I speak to for hours on one occasion and will greet me pleasantly when I see them, but who don't make an effort to pursue a meaningful relationship - and only a few people who I feel are actually real friends. This failing of mine probably effects my chances of romantic relationships far more than I had previously appreciated, but it is what it is.

    Good luck with it all!

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  • Although I would have liked to have seen her again

    Try going back to the nightclub as often as you feel able, better on the same night of the week that you met. She might come looking for you too, and you really have nothing to lose (you've already accepted the letting go part) and possibly much to gain...Heart eyes

    With regards to making friends, I've found that people really like talking about themselves and if you ask questions about them they will often provide most of the conversation. This comes fairly easily to me as people are my special interest, I'm fascinated by them and genuinely want to know how they work and why they think or feel the way they do.

    Unfortunately it seems that I'm not great at showing people that I like them, I recently found out that people struggle to decipher how I feel about them, and I guess this puts off all but the most confident/determined. I have many transient friends - those who I speak to for hours on one occasion and will greet me pleasantly when I see them, but who don't make an effort to pursue a meaningful relationship - and only a few people who I feel are actually real friends. This failing of mine probably effects my chances of romantic relationships far more than I had previously appreciated, but it is what it is.

    Good luck with it all!

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