Anybody please post your feelings or opinions on having friends or making friends or on being alone.

As an autistic adult most of the time this doesn't matter much to me but truthfully I think it matters to me at least a little bit most of the time. Most of the time I am alone. Even when in groups I speak and interact with the others only a little bit and most of that little bit will be to say only what I think is essential or necessary.

What can upset my is envy for neurotypical people. They get into relationships and find friends. The way they interact with each other is cute and funny. It seems to me that teasing and playing and having fun and being fun are crucial to how neurotypical people make friends. I do sometimes think .little of it, as fun seems so childish, but clearly being childish is part of having fun and of course whether it is childish or not fun is still fun.

This hit me last night: I went to a nightclub after work. I can relax in nightclubs and perhaps unlike most people who go to nightclubs I am at my happiest when I am alone and at my most uncomfortable when people try to talk to me. I do try to be friendly but I can see how others lose interest in my when I start talking to them. I know they will and I know what I will say will not be interesting to them but it is also my best attempt at trying to be friendly too. But I wondered: Who is really happy in that situation? Is it them or me? Maybe we are all happy or all unhappy. Whose happiness or enjoyment is real?  

Sometimes I sit and watch neurotypical people in conversation. I can watch their facial expressions and body language but I find it hard to understand what subjects they are discussing or what information they are sharing or why they are talking to each other or what they really get from it. I really think I just don't understand conversation at all. I don't understand why other people do it and I don't think I have ever in my life known how to have a conversation or even really had one. Not ever. 

Much of the time though however much I try to content myself with my own company I really do feel an absence of fun in my life and I know I also spend a lot of time trying to find a way to feel happier than I do on a long term basis and I never have. I sometimes watch neurotypical people, as I was at the nightclub, while they are dancing wondering "Who is really happy, them or me?". Are they sometimes only joining in because they think they should do or because they think that is what others want them to do?

I hardly ever get invited to staff parties. It does happen but my last job I had to leave because I so much didn't feel like part of the group I couldn't cope with the sense of being left to one side any more so I left. The others would go to staff parties together and post photographs to the group while I sat at home wondering whether I should add a smile or heart react or if they don't care or if they are only doing this because they want me to know I am not part of their group? Are they trying to get back at me for some wrong I don't even know I have committed? 

It is a strange mixed feeling of wanting to be invited but also being glad I am not because of how awkward I would feel. More than once after I have been invited I have left the main group to be more completely alone really because I find it easier to be alone than trying to stay in a group while not understanding what to do in that group. In groups I will usually only sit there silently while they talk to each other and because I can sit quietly without talking without needing to be in a group I do often just slip away without announcing I am going really because it is very hard to explain I am leaving if I haven't said anything for 30 minutes.

Social isolation makes work unrewarding for me because at work I do endless manual tasks and have little social interaction so of course I prefer to be out of work because while alone my time isn't wholly occupied by lots of tedious manual tasks which are helping other people but not me.

If I was wealthy enough I would probably spend almost all of my time alone. What is also true though I would spend a lot of that time alone wondering about other people and how to make friends.  I would wonder how to enjoy myself and play the sort of social games neurotypical call "fun" which I don't know how to play and seem never to learn.

I think it's perception. I think sociable neurotypical people notice the social cues and they know how to react to them in ways which please other neurotypical people. It may be something they got a start in when they were infants and observed their own parents having fun with their friends.  

The only advice I can give myself is my greatest satisfaction is achieved by the principle of (as the adage says) "just be yourself". I seem to be at my happiest when I am just doing what I want to. Sometimes even neurotypical people seem to warm to me more when I allow myself to be more autistic in their presence. A woman once watched me carefully unfold a screwed up sheet of tin foil without tearing it so it was perfectly flat. She told me she enjoyed watching me do it because she could see how absorbed and satisfied I was. A woman came over to talk to me in the nightclub last night and although she seemed nice I didn't (as usual) want to talk to her. It isn't hostility. She turned out to be very nice and she was nice to me. I just don't like talking in person and do I not know what to say when I do want to talk. So instead of talking to her I just did what I wanted to do which was to just look at her and she seemed to like it. She asked for my number and called me when she was leaving. I didn't go, of course. Instead I just sent her some messages which I hope she liked. Those messages explained I wouldn't go home with her. After sending them I then deleted her number to block me from sending her autistic messages afterwards which she would find puzzling and not know how to respond to. I really broke off contact for both of our sakes and I still suspect her friendliness may have been explained by being under the influence of MDMA although I have no proof that is true except for the fact I really gave her no reason to warm to me so much.

What do you think about it? You who is reading this message now. What do you think of making friends, especially with neurotypical people, or having fun, or being alone? What do you think when you look at other people who are friends? Do you experience envy, or sorrow, or loneliness? Do you have any answers or tips for those of us who do?

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  • I honestly have no idea how to make friends. I feel I've made a friend then after a week or so they completely ignore me, my mother will explain to me that they were using me for some reason or another and when I wasn't useful anymore they just left. I never have a clue that this was happening and I get annoyed that I never spot it, even though it keeps happening. 

    I also feel annoyed at people who are in relationships or seem genuinely happy. I don't like this as I should feel happy for them. Some people have come up to me and asked if I am autistic or when I tell people about it (like people at work who I feel should know) they say that they figured I had it. I feel weird about that for some reason.

    At work, people stop talking when I walk into the room and ask me what I want. I've noticed it more as I have gotten older and feel more like a freak than I did as a child. I try to fit in with them (people have told me that my personality changes) but it never works and I leave the group feeling sad.

    I like being on my own but at the same time I'm conflicted because I get lonely. 

    I am new here and have no idea if this is relevant or the right thing to say. I apologize if not. 

  • Don't worry. As an autistic person myself I am gong to try to be sympathetic to other autistic people who find it difficult to talk or write because they know they are not very good at it. That is the reason I started the thread. I know I am not good at it too! Let's try to be that understanding person for each other. 

    I have no idea how to make friends. I do remember having a wicked sense of humour at school which has since dwindled as I want to be taken more seriously but I have never really made friends in my life. When I got my autism diagnosis I explained to the ASD specialist not knowing how to make friends has been the guiding puzzle of my whole life. The question that occupies my thoughts more than any other for as far back as I have memories to recall. I can remember not knowing how to make friends and being troubled by it in preschool and watching the other children having fun together while I felt sad and alone. At school I had the feeling the other children didn't really like me too.

    Online others have often accused me of being autistic and I don't know if they can really know or if it's just a general insult. I try to hide it but I always think "Do you know that? How?". I do also think others who have known me for a long time must suspect I am on the autism spectrum. Not for any specific reason but for the fact I can't imagine I can have so much difficulty socialising without others noticing I have difficulty. They must have thought about it and I think the more perceptive neurotypical people with the best social perceptions must see where I am going wrong in my choices in a way that I can't myself.

    Ironically I have tried to do sales to force me out of my autistic shell and during my last job I was lauded for rapport building. Not ironically I failed to form friendships with the decision makers at work and was sacked within a few weeks. it is strange though that I do sometimes score highly on tests of social acuity even though I don't make friends. 

    I know my personality changes too and I have wondered if I am not merely autistic but schizophrenic too or maybe I am schizophrenic and not autistic. It must be hard for clinicians to be sure when multiple different conditions can lead to social difficulty. 

    I think I heard somebody say about me just out of earshot "We think he is autistic". I have long noticed a pattern that people are warm and friendly when we first meet but their interest soon wanes and I think I don't know how to be warm and friendly in return so they give up trying.

    I don't so much feel like a freak as worry about my future. Where is my life leading when I can't find good work or good friends? What happens later in my life when my health begins to fail and I have nobody to care for me? As I get older that worry gets closer to hand. I already don't find getting around as easy as I once did. Where is the inevitable deterioration of health which comes with age going to take me as I have ASD too? How will I get help? Who will care? Nobody? 

    It would be great to work on answers together. Not just identify our problems as ASD people but try to come up with theories on how we can break free of the isolation. 

    Sometimes I think I like my own company mostly because I have been forced to accept it and make the most of it. Would I prefer it if I was invited to parties and was admired and the centre of attention? Yes I would. I would prefer to be out having fun at a party right now but the sad thing is it is only a fantasy because I really don't even know how to have fun. I don't know what I am supposed to do. I don't know what to do to be fun. 

    That's one of the sad things about rarely being invited to staff gatherings: In the first place I want the invite but on those rare exceptions I get an invite it doesn't change who I am. When I go out I am instead out with a group of people who are all enjoying themselves with each other while I sit in dumbfounded silence not knowing what to do. Hence it is less awkward for me to be alone. At least then I don't think my problems are so visible but it also means I have no chance of meeting anybody.

    As before though I don't want to end on a depressing note. Maybe we can all help each other? 



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  • Don't worry. As an autistic person myself I am gong to try to be sympathetic to other autistic people who find it difficult to talk or write because they know they are not very good at it. That is the reason I started the thread. I know I am not good at it too! Let's try to be that understanding person for each other. 

    I have no idea how to make friends. I do remember having a wicked sense of humour at school which has since dwindled as I want to be taken more seriously but I have never really made friends in my life. When I got my autism diagnosis I explained to the ASD specialist not knowing how to make friends has been the guiding puzzle of my whole life. The question that occupies my thoughts more than any other for as far back as I have memories to recall. I can remember not knowing how to make friends and being troubled by it in preschool and watching the other children having fun together while I felt sad and alone. At school I had the feeling the other children didn't really like me too.

    Online others have often accused me of being autistic and I don't know if they can really know or if it's just a general insult. I try to hide it but I always think "Do you know that? How?". I do also think others who have known me for a long time must suspect I am on the autism spectrum. Not for any specific reason but for the fact I can't imagine I can have so much difficulty socialising without others noticing I have difficulty. They must have thought about it and I think the more perceptive neurotypical people with the best social perceptions must see where I am going wrong in my choices in a way that I can't myself.

    Ironically I have tried to do sales to force me out of my autistic shell and during my last job I was lauded for rapport building. Not ironically I failed to form friendships with the decision makers at work and was sacked within a few weeks. it is strange though that I do sometimes score highly on tests of social acuity even though I don't make friends. 

    I know my personality changes too and I have wondered if I am not merely autistic but schizophrenic too or maybe I am schizophrenic and not autistic. It must be hard for clinicians to be sure when multiple different conditions can lead to social difficulty. 

    I think I heard somebody say about me just out of earshot "We think he is autistic". I have long noticed a pattern that people are warm and friendly when we first meet but their interest soon wanes and I think I don't know how to be warm and friendly in return so they give up trying.

    I don't so much feel like a freak as worry about my future. Where is my life leading when I can't find good work or good friends? What happens later in my life when my health begins to fail and I have nobody to care for me? As I get older that worry gets closer to hand. I already don't find getting around as easy as I once did. Where is the inevitable deterioration of health which comes with age going to take me as I have ASD too? How will I get help? Who will care? Nobody? 

    It would be great to work on answers together. Not just identify our problems as ASD people but try to come up with theories on how we can break free of the isolation. 

    Sometimes I think I like my own company mostly because I have been forced to accept it and make the most of it. Would I prefer it if I was invited to parties and was admired and the centre of attention? Yes I would. I would prefer to be out having fun at a party right now but the sad thing is it is only a fantasy because I really don't even know how to have fun. I don't know what I am supposed to do. I don't know what to do to be fun. 

    That's one of the sad things about rarely being invited to staff gatherings: In the first place I want the invite but on those rare exceptions I get an invite it doesn't change who I am. When I go out I am instead out with a group of people who are all enjoying themselves with each other while I sit in dumbfounded silence not knowing what to do. Hence it is less awkward for me to be alone. At least then I don't think my problems are so visible but it also means I have no chance of meeting anybody.

    As before though I don't want to end on a depressing note. Maybe we can all help each other? 



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