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Funny how those whose opinions are so 'suppressed' somehow get their say and also stick around despite 'being made to feel so unwelcome'...while those who genuinely suffer because of those opinions feel driven to leave.

That’s my biggest worry, and why I weighed in maybe a little too hard. I hope in fact that Glitter, RT and others feel doubly committed to staying after reflection, even if it means sometimes stepping around some energy-sapping hot-spots/bait in favour of kinder and more inclusive threads with a clearer aim of mutual support. Thankfully that’s far and away the main content on here no matter what. 

Shardovan said:

I hope in fact that Glitter, RT and others feel doubly committed to staying

Yes, I very much hope so too.

This so-called policing we're all meant to fear is so ineffective that the victims are now despicably cast as the persecutors. Some police force...

So whose opinions are *really* being suppressed? The overall narrative is now being so deliberately skewed that we're expected to feel most sorry for those who might get an occasional telling-off for using incorrect pronouns (awww!), not the people who identify themselves with those pronouns and so face prejudice and even violence.

‘Angry voices’ - where? I’m seeing little anger  but quite a bit of hurt and confusion, and a pretty well maintained decorum around some mostly nuanced debate. One way to de-escalate is to stop perceiving a ranting mob where none exists. 

Thank you for the very civil and civic-minded response.

I apologise for recent posts which likely appeared as if aimed entirely at you personally; that wasn't the case, but I can understand it if you believed this was so. Subtext is sometimes an ill-chosen, blunt and clumsy weapon when one is actually trying to make wider arguments. A poor choice by me...

You deserve much credit for not, understandably, reacting angrily.

NO. This ends now. How many more people do we need to drive away this week?

If you want to "discuss the relevant issues" privately I'll drop you the address of a discord fight club, and we'll "discuss the issues" over there where people appreciate that sort of thing, and it's done openly, unlike whatever this is... 

I've learned my lesson here largely about being "controversial", and will be watching my P's and Q's or giving "I Sperg" a rest if I cant stop being at the centre of discord here.

Despite occasional appearances to the contrary that is not my "mission" here.

I'm supposed to be using my "wasted years" to help other people avoid wasting ages learning what little I did manage to work out on my own.

I had to agree with Untowards last words, because I don't want him bailing out of what is supposed to be a support group for Autistic people, without him knowing that he isn't alone or "wrong" in his views, no matter how many angry voices carefully picked at his posting.

I know he was a good and thoughtful member and I'll miss him, if no one else does. 

How do we fix this? Anybody?

We can both manage diplomacy, at times. So if you'd like to discuss all the relevant issues, please contact me privately. Alternatively, you might care to support your opinions by engaging fully and publicly rather than artfully casting this situation as a repression of purported truths.

Thank you.

I concur. Well stated.

Untoward said:

You are a bully

Yes, I'm feared throughout the land.

*rolls eyes*

You are a bully, plain and simple. You see yourself as righteous and that everyone who doesn't agree with you is to be trampled and kicked out. Marxism at it's finest. This has been a struggle session. Everything old is bad, make way for the new and censor and ostracise anyone who remembers what came before.

Regardless of change - some of it merely politically expedient - if you somehow view the current state of play as the establishment generally being at one with historically-persecuted and oppressed peoples then it is you whose perspective is flawed to the point of tragically ironic hilarity. You are not oppressed, you are not a victim; you're merely someone whose opinions are, at best, out of date. And that's my kindest interpretation.

The government, the media, every school, university and institution, every corporation and charity and NGO, and the moderators here are all on your side and will endlessly defend you. Numerous people jumped to your defence immediately wish gushing posts whilst I stand alone.

How is it possible for you to still see yourself as the victim? My previous comment defending myself was just deleted, and this one probably will be too. All the power is with you. I went out of my way to be accommodating and respectful, whilst you attacked me, and I'm still the bad guy.

It's very clear there are only two outcomes here: I supplicate myself, avoid voicing my own opinions, and endlessly second guess myself lest I commit wrongthink; or I leave. Either way, you have won.

So goodbye, and congratulations.

The government, the media, every school, university and institution, every corporation and charity and NGO, and the moderators here are all on your side and will endlessly defend you. Numerous people jumped to your defence immediately wish gushing posts whilst I stand alone.

How is it possible for you to still see yourself as the victim? My previous comment defending myself was just deleted, and this one probably will be too. All the power is with you. I went out of my way to be accommodating and respectful, whilst you attacked me, and I'm still the bad guy.

It's very clear there are only two outcomes here: I supplicate myself, avoid voicing my own opinions, and endlessly second guess myself lest I commit wrongthink; or I leave. Either way, you have won.

So goodbye, and congratulations.

‘Angry voices’ - where? I’m seeing little anger  but quite a bit of hurt and confusion, and a pretty well maintained decorum around some mostly nuanced debate. One way to de-escalate is to stop perceiving a ranting mob where none exists. 

Thank you for the very civil and civic-minded response.

I apologise for recent posts which likely appeared as if aimed entirely at you personally; that wasn't the case, but I can understand it if you believed this was so. Subtext is sometimes an ill-chosen, blunt and clumsy weapon when one is actually trying to make wider arguments. A poor choice by me...

You deserve much credit for not, understandably, reacting angrily.

NO. This ends now. How many more people do we need to drive away this week?

If you want to "discuss the relevant issues" privately I'll drop you the address of a discord fight club, and we'll "discuss the issues" over there where people appreciate that sort of thing, and it's done openly, unlike whatever this is... 

I've learned my lesson here largely about being "controversial", and will be watching my P's and Q's or giving "I Sperg" a rest if I cant stop being at the centre of discord here.

Despite occasional appearances to the contrary that is not my "mission" here.

I'm supposed to be using my "wasted years" to help other people avoid wasting ages learning what little I did manage to work out on my own.

I had to agree with Untowards last words, because I don't want him bailing out of what is supposed to be a support group for Autistic people, without him knowing that he isn't alone or "wrong" in his views, no matter how many angry voices carefully picked at his posting.

I know he was a good and thoughtful member and I'll miss him, if no one else does. 

How do we fix this? Anybody?

We can both manage diplomacy, at times. So if you'd like to discuss all the relevant issues, please contact me privately. Alternatively, you might care to support your opinions by engaging fully and publicly rather than artfully casting this situation as a repression of purported truths.

Thank you.

I concur. Well stated.

Untoward said:

You are a bully

Yes, I'm feared throughout the land.

*rolls eyes*

You are a bully, plain and simple. You see yourself as righteous and that everyone who doesn't agree with you is to be trampled and kicked out. Marxism at it's finest. This has been a struggle session. Everything old is bad, make way for the new and censor and ostracise anyone who remembers what came before.

Regardless of change - some of it merely politically expedient - if you somehow view the current state of play as the establishment generally being at one with historically-persecuted and oppressed peoples then it is you whose perspective is flawed to the point of tragically ironic hilarity. You are not oppressed, you are not a victim; you're merely someone whose opinions are, at best, out of date. And that's my kindest interpretation.