Am I a horrible person?

Hi everyone,

I know I haven't posted in a while; it's been hectic as my wife and I have moved across the country. I hope everyone is doing OK. There's been something playing on my mind for quite a few months now and I wanted to talk about it.

Up until about five months ago, I had a very toxic friend. She never thought she was doing anything wrong and I never spoke up for myself (apart from on one occasion which ended badly), but she had this superiority thing as far as I was concerned and said very hurtful things about Autism. She'd also make this veiled judgemental comments about my body and seeing as I've suffered on and off from anorexia since my teens (although my anorexia isn't particularly body image-connected) this was very difficult. I actually posted about her some time ago – the gist of this post was that she invited my wife (I'm a woman too; my wife and I are gay) and me for dinner and said some very insensitive things about Autism and when my wife and I politely confronted her about it she lost her s*** and told us we were 'making things about us' when she was having 'such a horrible time at work with her horrible probably-Autistic boss).

I tried not to speak to her for a while after that – even putting the phone down on her when we spoke on the phone after the dinner party incident, but then she started being really nice and seemingly making an effort to not say such daft things (although she was still condescending and annoying in lots of ways and my wife B didn't want any more to do with her but I tried my hardest to give her the benefit of the doubt). B and I actually moved away for a fresh start – B works remotely and I'd been struggling for a while at my school during my ill health and now I'm a lot stronger in myself physically and mentally we decided to make a go of things elsewhere, somewhere we've actually always dreamt of living. We visited our old city a few months back and I had plans to see this friend, however on the day I was meant to see her, I wasn't well enough. We came back here and my friend messaged asking if we could reschedule. I said we were now back in our new city, and this friend said, 'Oh, I thought you'd be here for longer. I wanted to see you.' Then I managed to really offend her by saying something I thought was innocuous and explanatory - I said, 'B and my lives are in (our new city) now. We had to come back here.' That is literally all I said. My friend then proceeded to tell me how much I'd upset her saying this, that she can 'understand that we live here' but she's 'still one of my friends' and 'would like to see me occasionally'. I offered to phone to apologise and talk it over (although to tell you the truth I wasn't quite sure exactly what I was apologising for) but she declined. We haven't spoken since, and it's been months.

Whilst to be honest I'm really glad she's out of my life, because she hurt me a lot, I'm also very upset that I upset someone. It's made me feel even more self--conscious about my diagnosis, I feel like I must be being very Autistic to not know why what I've said is so hurtful. I'm worried that I really do lack empathy - although whenever I discuss that with anyone, they said that's the opposite of the truth and that I'm actually over empathetic. My other difficult feeling is that I wish I'd been more honest with her before, I wish I'd pulled her up every time she said anything hurtful. She just thinks I've ditched her out of the blue and I feel guilty about that. And I hate the idea she might be talking badly of B and me to our mutual friends and acquaintances. 

I would really appreciate some other perspectives on this. Please be honest - have I done anything wrong here? B doesn't think so and is sick of me worrying about it, but being me I'm overthinking and not convinced!

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  • As far as I'm concerned you've done nothing wrong and I can't understand you saying anything wrong when you said you live in the new place. People can take things the wrong way and give an emotional response and they take things personally. You have given her the benefit of the doubt time and time again and been very patient by the sounds of things.

    If you're anything like me, friends are hard to come by so I cherish mine but they need to add something to your life,  not make you feel like ***. A one off is ok but not all the time.

    I wish I'd been more honest with her before,

    This is me. I try and be straight up with people but it often takes processing time so I end up placating. I was really frustrated too recently with a friend that this happened. As far as she is concerned she's done nothing wrong and I ended up apologising for something which wasn't on me. But the matter was "closed" so I couldn't bring it up again. I don't think I'll see her again but she showed the value she puts on our friendship and I've realised how one sided it was. She's the only friend I haven't come out to and was in two minds about it because she's quite snobby anyway and wants her friends to reflect well on her.

    There's this thing with autistic people that their friends can suddenly stop talking to them for no reason. This has been few and far between but when it has happened,  as far as I can see I've done nothing wrong. It's hard because we have to play by the rules that no one follows and its all a bit confusing so sometimes we do need reassurance because we can't intuitively tell.

    On the day you talk about, you didn't mention your friend enquired about your health. This was a similar circumstance to mine above. She was annoyed that I'd cancelled (fair enough) and I don't expect anyone to ask if I'm ok but the fact she didn't, then had a go at me for being ill said it all. 

    Sorry I've gone on a bit about myself towards the end of the post but I've needed to get it off my chest.

    In conclusion, your friends should make you feel positive. 

  • Please don't apologise – you're not going on about yourself at all, and even if you were, talking things out is what this forum is for, right? I'm glad you've got things off your chest. I'm so sorry you've had to put up with this sort of thing from friends as well. I often find myself placating too - because of the processing time thing, and because I'm scared of the reaction to any boundaries I might set, because so often I've had people (including this 'friend'!) respond by attacking or guilt-tripping. The 'matter is closed' thing - YES! I so often think of what to say later on, but it's too late and you never want to bring things back up.

    She did enquire about my health, but she did it in a tone/wording that suggested she was accusing me of lying about having Covid symptoms so I didn't have to see her: 'How are you feeling because you said you had Covid when you didn't come out with me the other day?' She then went straight into all the guilt tripping and how much I'd upset her. She often does enquire about my health on a surface level to prove she's 'such a good friend' who is 'always there' but actually has behaved in ways that show she doesn't really care about my health. There was one time when we were at a barbecue and she swapped my drinks around while I wasn't looking (swapped my nearly-empty glass with a full, very strongly mixed cocktail) so that I had more than I thought and therefore got much drunker than I expected to and felt really unwell. She told me about it later and said it was a 'joke' because I'm 'so funny when I'm drunk'. I was angry about this - it did not sit right with me at all for a number of reasons, I like to know what I've had alcohol-wise and she did it to humiliate me and laugh at my expense like she always does, and besides I thought it was unbelievably childish behaviour on her part (she's a woman in her 30s!) - but felt I couldn't do anything but laugh along. She then goes on saying that she has to be careful with alcohol because she takes medication - so do I, and she knows that, yet she still did that to me.

  • Your "friend" sounds like a *** bag who needs to grow up.  It's one thing swapping a drink but doing it in a jokey way and its another knowing how it'd affect you. Friends don't do that.

    I've realised with this friend...I always knew along but now I have found words for it...she's very good at showing sympathy "oh you poor thing" but I don't see meaning in it. It's like people use this in a social way but without any meaning behind it. And I find that disingenuous. 

    It seems like her reactions say more about her than you. I never understand why people take things so personally.

    Regarding boundaries. You might get a bit of push back at first but I find they foster more respect on the whole if asserted well. Start as you mean to go on.

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  • Your "friend" sounds like a *** bag who needs to grow up.  It's one thing swapping a drink but doing it in a jokey way and its another knowing how it'd affect you. Friends don't do that.

    I've realised with this friend...I always knew along but now I have found words for it...she's very good at showing sympathy "oh you poor thing" but I don't see meaning in it. It's like people use this in a social way but without any meaning behind it. And I find that disingenuous. 

    It seems like her reactions say more about her than you. I never understand why people take things so personally.

    Regarding boundaries. You might get a bit of push back at first but I find they foster more respect on the whole if asserted well. Start as you mean to go on.

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